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Post by schwung on Aug 16, 2008 10:36:32 GMT -5
I do have some good news...the leopard appaloosa mare was found alive. However, that means the dead mare in the stall in Carnation is either Holly's dam or a younger appy filly that Jean had.
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Post by trillium on Aug 16, 2008 13:01:24 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many horses died? Can this woman (Jean) not identify what the horses names were, or does she not want to.
Had this gone on for many years, or was it a sudden downward turn at her place?
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Post by schwung on Aug 16, 2008 14:01:05 GMT -5
There has definitely been a pattern of horses not getting fed well in the winter and that's been confirmed to me by several sources. I do believe there have been other deaths from starvation but have no proof of that. There have been a large number of deaths due to "accidents" and "cancer" and other such things. As for this past winter, there were 4 dead horses found in Carnation (Shell Game, Olympic Spirit, one Appaloosa mare as yet unidentified, and one bay/chestnut mare not yet identified), although one was too far decomposed to prove she died of starvation, so right now she only has 3 counts of 1st degree animal cruelty in King County. Then of course there was Lily, that I include in the total. In Snohomish County, there were 5 dead horses on the property. Holly, Coco (Seas the Golden Day), Halo (who was not included in the 1st degree cruelty charges for some reason), and the two boarded horses who were owned by two twin teenage girls. The 5th 1st degree charge was for a boarded horse named Phantom that collapsed the day after he was removed from Jean's property and could not rise, and was euthanized by a vet. There was another stallion, a 2 year old Appaloosa colt named Jag that was euthanized about a month after the seizure (apparently, he was still very sickly and not gaining weight). Then I count Ella, and her dam's unborn foal that was aborted at the auction. I was also told the mare Holly was pregnant at the time of death. So all told, my count is 15 deaths.
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Post by coconut on Aug 16, 2008 23:24:42 GMT -5
"Does anyone know how many horses died? Can this woman (Jean) not identify what the horses names were, or does she not want to." trillium, I've been thinking the same thing & wishing it could go to another level. I'd like to see it be part of her sentencing & post-incarceration probation conditions (because I refuse to believe that she won't be found guilty!) that she identify the current whereabouts of each horse she has listed on the registries and any other horse that can be identified through private means. If it's missing, it needs to be accounted for! ... and not after she gets out either.... Tell us NOW! These days I'm wondering how many people are out there presuming their boarded horses died in her care but really they were 'dispersed' of prior to the seizure...like Lauren King's Dun Filly that was on King 5 news (and the boarding situation is a whole other subject.... ) Coconuts abandonment story has been confirmed now & I bet there's someone out there who is kicking themselves for leaving their horses with Jean for back board. They probably think their horses didn't survive. I've been temped to post her picture on Craigs List and say she lived...but there is an emotional side that just hasn't allowed me to do that... still a small fear that the story might not be true and then someone would be coming after me to get her back. It's hard to say, but when Lauren King contacted me thinking/hoping that I had her horse, she flat out said she wasn't looking to take her back from me, but wanted to make sure she was ok. It makes me think there are many folks out there who feel the same way.
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Post by trailsnail on Aug 17, 2008 10:55:39 GMT -5
Could the unidentified bay/chestnut deceased mare in Carnation have been Autumn Haze? She seems to be unaccounted for.
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Post by trillium on Aug 17, 2008 11:24:00 GMT -5
Coconut, I too believe that all horses should be accounted for. And if there are people out there holding these horses for Jean until she is through the court system, SHAME ON THEM!! If people were really honest, and they took these horses under suspicious circumstances, they should come forward and let the public know.
Is there a list of people who had horses disappear at her place? Did she just tell people they died? Or do the owners of the missing horses just assume they died? What did she do with the dead ones? Maybe someone in the area could run an ad in a local paper for anyone who has had horses disappear in her care.
If people abandoned their horses with Jean, I do not feel sorry for them. They should of taken care of their horses. They had to of been blind to not see there was something wrong there. Why would you leave your horse at such a place? Only because they did not care. So they may be feeling a little guilty now, they should.
I wish I could come up and sit in the courtroom when she goes to trial. Or better yet, stand on the sidewalk and hold a poster with the pictures of her horses. (Which I could not do in the courtroom)
Also, how many different breeds did she own or breed? Arabians Saddlebreds Appoloosas Thoroughbreds
Has anyone checked the other breed registries for horses owned by her? I know the Arabian one has been checked.
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Post by trailsnail on Aug 17, 2008 14:48:09 GMT -5
Trillium, the Saddlebred Registry is the only one of these I belong to so is the only one I can check. They list 8 horses registered to Jean:
Seas The Golden Day Autumn Haze RKR Impromptu DHF (at SAFE) Shell Game (deceased) Sultan's Sundazzled (apparently sold prior to the seizure, but still registered in Jean's name) Ad Idem (Annie) Acquiescence (Hope) Gypsy Seashell (Willow) Midsummer's Eve
None of the Saddlebreds under four years old were ever registered. No Saddlebred get from Seas The Golden Day have been registered since 2004.
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Post by schwung on Aug 17, 2008 14:57:27 GMT -5
Autumn Haze was bought by the girl who has Sea of Wisdom, and she reports that she died a couple of years ago.
Midsummer's Eve was sold and is owned by one of our adopters. So all the registered Saddlebreds have been accounted for. However, I can tell you that there were many more offspring sired by Seas the Golden Day than the ones that were registered.
I've heard rumor that she also bred Andalusions, but I have found no evidence of that so far. The only Thoroughbred she had was Haley, so her main breeding program was Appaloosas, Arabians, and Saddlebreds.
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Post by Buena on Aug 17, 2008 23:14:39 GMT -5
And being that she had both Arabs and Saddlebreds, someone who has access to the National Show Horse registry access should check there as well.
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Post by trailsnail on Aug 17, 2008 23:44:46 GMT -5
Buena, in order for a horse to be eligable for registration as National Show Horse, the sire must be nominated. The fees for nominating a stallion for the NSH registry are fairly hefty, so I very much doubt that Jean had any of her stallions, Arab or Saddlebred, nominated.
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Post by Buena on Aug 18, 2008 1:33:41 GMT -5
If someone has access it's worth a look, though. Jean didn't do things rationally it seems. And if someone else owned some of the older horses before her, they could be registered, or the offspring might be eligible. I don't have access so I can't look.
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Post by trillium on Aug 18, 2008 7:03:14 GMT -5
I looked at the National Show Horse Registry. The only thing I could see was that Seas The Golden Day was a LIfetime Nominated Stallion. I do not know if there is a way to look up all the horses she had. The Arabian Horse Registry is so easy, you just put in a name and it all comes up. Other registries seem a little trickier. So if someone has access to the NSH Registry, they should look and see if she has any registered to her, as I know Seas The Golden Day was there, and listed as active also.
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Post by trailsnail on Aug 19, 2008 10:54:30 GMT -5
For anyone who has access to the data bases for these registries, don't forget to also check for horses owned or bred by Jean Marie Buck. I forgot to do that and completely missed Olympic Spirit, who is the dam of Willow, Dutchess, and Phoenix, apparently, although of those three, only Willow is registered. What happened to Olympic Spirit? Was she the unidentified bay/chestnut mare found dead in Carnation? She was old (foaled 1984), but if she was Phoenix's dam, would have still been alive last year.
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Post by schwung on Aug 19, 2008 10:58:54 GMT -5
I have made the assumption that she was one of the dead horses. She was with Jean as of December of last year on the Carnation property, so it seems to be a safe assumption.
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Post by trailsnail on Aug 19, 2008 17:15:34 GMT -5
You are probably correct. They bred the livin' daylights out of that old mare. By my count, she had at least seven (five registered, plus Dutchess and Phoenix) foals in 11 years. These are just the Saddlebreds; I suppose it is possible that she could have foaled some half Arabs somewhere along the line as well. She was a bay with a star/connected snip and two hind socks white.
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