ANNIE - 2003 chestnut Saddlebred mare

[mrbakermiss]

Well, I won't completely disagree with the "crazy" theory. However, I don't see it as crazy, I see it as spirited, free-willed, and VERY opinonated about how life is SUPPOSED to be. I have two chestnuts and they are both very "crazy."

[schwung]

trailsnail - how did you figure that out?

bakermiss - she is one of 5 of the horses that Jean surrendered to the county. So, we will be able to adopt her out as soon as she is up to a good weight and healthy, although a condition of her adoption is that the adopter will need to allow access to her as evidence and may be prepared to issue any statements about her condition if asked. I would say in a month or two she should be ready to go...but, a word of caution, this one will need some work! I would assume she is not started under saddle yet and there is the possibility that she is pregnant.

[mrbakermiss]

I was wondering the same thing about the bloodlines. I went to Harlem Globetrotters "get" information and there were a ton of different chestnut mares in 2003 and 2004, I have no clue how you would be able to decipher between them without calling the assocation and having records researched, if the American Saddlebred Association will even do that for you.

On her adoption, do we have any idea what kind of adoption fee we are looking at for Annie. If pregnant, what is she bred to?

[schwung]

Not sure on the adoption fee, but probably $500-$600. And, no way to know what she is bred to, as Jean had 5 stallions.

[trailsnail]

Schwung - The American Saddlebred Horse Association has an excellent data base. They show 9 registered horses for Jean Elledge (aka Jean Buck). The data base shows that Elledge acquired two aged mares and two yearling mares from a breeder in another state in the summer of 2004. These mares were a 1991 bay/white Skywatch daughter, a 1995 black/white mare by a pinto son of Supreme Sultan, and a 2003 chestnut and 2003 black/white pinto by a 17h black son of Harlem Globetrotter named Kabuki, who is now back in Kentucky under different ownership (www.wingait.com for a picture of him). The description of the 2003 chestnut filly's markings fits "Annie" to a *T*, and "Hope" is possibly her half sister. You might ask the ASHA if they will fax you the photos they have on file for #139213 Acquiescence to verify Hope's identity. I don't know if the breeders of these fillies are still in the horse business, but one could also try contacting them for info.

In addition to the '91 and '95 mares mentioned above, Elledge also owned a 1987 mare by Sultan's Royalty and another 1987 mare by Chairman of the Board. The data base shows no foals registered from these mares after Elledge acquired them. I wonder what happened to these girls? I shudder to think.

The data base also shows Elledge as the owner/breeder of a 2004 palomino mare. Could it be Dutchess? I can't tell enough about her markings to see if they match with the data base. Again, the ASHA may be willing to help with this. Try matching her up with #141386 Midsummer's Eve.

[mswan]

Red mares rule!
At least that is what my Too Shy mare thinks. I happen to like red horses alot.
My shoers family has Saddlebreds. I should ask him about the bloodlines on this mare.

[coconut]

trailsnail: I don't know much about the registries but I have to wonder if the horse I got from Jean Elledge could have been used in her breeding program. She listed my gal as an Arab, but she's most likely a cross. My ferrier thinks she's possibly an arab/appy cross. I don't actually trust anything Jean told me when I bought Coconut but she said she couldn't use her in her arab breeding program because she couldn't register her and had aparently *tried*. She said Coconut's foals could only be registered as half-arabs. There was an interesting question raised over the weekend that it's possible that Coconut may have dropped a foal just prior to my getting her. Her horsetopia ad photo almost looks like she's in foal, but I'm going to guess that photo was a year or two old because her tail was significantly longer when I met her in person. But she had quite the belly on her, but it wasn't a fat/happy belly. My vet and ferrier said they guessed that she had a foal at some point but I know nothing about how to even try to figure it out. Anyway... Is there a way to check on the arab registry, cross referencing Jean? Can anyone look it up? I would be interested to learn anything I can about her arabs.

[coconut]

I should have followed my hunches before I posted. Just after, I did a google search on Jean Elledge arabian and here's something I came up with. Someone sure has allot of info on her horses:
There are some interesting horses listed here:
www.straightegyptians.com/forum2/index.php?showtopic=25105&mode=threaded

[squirrels]

trailsnail said:

mrbakermiss or squirrels ~ If you have a soft spot for chestnut Saddlebreds, better try to find room in your barn for this one! The Saddlebred Association data base shows her as a match for a 2003 mare by a son of Harlem Globetrotter out of a Supreme Heir daughter (with a little effort, this could be confirmed one way or the other). Such a shame that she got off to such a terrible start, but with some patient training to build her confidence, she will make someone a wonderful (do everything?) horse.

Ironically enough, today I had to find room in my barn for my old chestnut Saddlebred! Otherwise I was seriously considering her.

Those are some pretty fabulous bloodlines. Harlem Globetrotter and Supreme Heir are both AMAZING.

[trailsnail]

coconut - not sure I can be of much help to you as I don't have access to the Arab, half arab, or NSH records, but I do know someone who does, so if you want to PM me as much info on Coconut as you can, I will see what I can do. There may be others on this board who have access to those records, too, who can help you. Did Elledge breed Coconut herself or did she purchase her from some someone else? Maybe the reason Elledge couldn't get Coconut registered was because she never paid for her and therefore couldn't get her papers released?

PS: In my previous post I neglected to specify that "Annie" appears to me to be a match to #139211 Ad Idem. Looking at her picture again, she does have that loooong Supreme Heir neck. Once she is healthy again, she is going to be gorgeous, but in looking at what I believe may be her bloodlines, she is probably very smart (smarter than most trainers) and has a very big motor, but if you can get along with her, she will be the best horse you could ever imagine. Congratulations mrbakermiss!

[cat67]

I agree that this one looks like one of those "lost princesses" that you can tell is a high quality horse that took a wrong turn in life. FYI to any potential adopters, Saddlebreds are not actually a "hot" breed. It is the show training that creates that. (Chase anything with a fire extinguisher, I guarantee you will get a hot prancy response!) A Saddlebred that has not gone through that will typically be quiet and easy to ride - I've known numerous trail/pleasure Saddlebreds that were as quiet as your average QH.

[mrbakermiss]

Saying no, saying no. Why is the congratulations already on me?!? This doesn't help at all guys!

[trailsnail]

cat67: Spot on! No one should be afraid to consider these horses for a trail/pleasure horse. The horse I have now was originally trained to be a 5-gaited show prospect, but has spent his life doing everything but! He is my trail horse and is a fantastic ride. He will cheerfully go just about anywhere I ask him to. He flows over the trails and through the trees like water; his ears are always forward, he is attentive and alert and always thinking about where he is going to put his feet. He doesn't come unglued if we encounter a coyote or a bear now and then, and he nickers to the deer. He also loves to go camping.

A friend of mine has an old saddlebred that was a top roping horse in his younger days. My friend picked him up for $1 when the horse fell into the hands of a cowboy who wasn't smart enough to realize that the horse knew more than he did. This horse is still going strong and is the most honest horse you could ever find.

[blazn]

Saddlebreds can also be very good jumpers, can't they?

[shekaberry]

There are several Saddlebreds and crosses that have sucessfully competed in Grand Prix and Hunters. They have alse excelled in Dressage. Saddlebreds are actually pretty good in any discipline they go into. I liken their attitudes to that of a TB - they will give you their heart if you ask nicely for it!