ANNIE - 2003 chestnut Saddlebred mare

[squirrels]

my Saddlebred was in show training his entire life. He started in Kentucky, was shipped to Beverly Hills (how much do you suppose it costs to keep a horse in Beverly Hills?), continued his show training, was shipped up here to the PNW.... stayed 5-gaited the entire time. I got him when he was 17, pulled off his heavy shoes and stopped riding him in that damn martingale (much to the horror of my 80-year-old Saddleseat trainer), and turned him out in the pasture for a bit to play with the boys and be a horse.

In less than a year, he wasn't hot at all. I took him trail riding, did a few playdays on him, taught him how to jump, rode him everywhere bareback, etc. All of those things that teenage girls do with their horses. Best horse I've ever had.

Granted, he still got a little bit hot at horse shows. The last one we went to before I sold him was pretty good, though. He stayed calm during that one (finally! But I also rode him hunt seat, so I think that had something to do with it as well).

Yes the show training makes them hot, but they wont stay that way if they are just treated like normal horses. Shocking, I know....

[cat67]

squirrels said:

and turned him out in the pasture for a bit to play with the boys and be a horse.

That alone would have given most Saddlebred trainers I have met an aneurysm...

I will never agree with no turnout. I don't care what kind of show horse it is, or how valuable. Longeing and riding does not replace turnout. Withholding turnout is downright cruel in my book.

[squirrels]

LOL yeah, my trainer was horrified.

Let's review the Saddleseat Sins I committed:

-I pulled his shoes and let him go barefoot (*gasp*)
-I turned him out in pasture with the other horses (*gasp*)
-I refused to use the german martingale or double bridle, or twisted wire snaffle and switched him into a simple snaffle (*gasp*)
-I eventually switched disciplines completely because, even at a young age, I understood that making him carry his head in that way was not doing any favors for his already-bad and beginning-stages-of-swayed back. (*gasp*)

He seemed much happier after all of that. And not the least bit crazy or hot. He was safe, sane, smart, and a lovely ride.

[dbaldstockings]

I am posting this on several of the Carnation rescue’s threads, forgive me for duplication, and you may want to just post a link to this info and place it on a single thread. I hope there is some useful info here for those who would like to learn more about the horses, and the Saddlebred breed. I will be back later…must get 2 cats just spayed at the vet.


There is a strong likelihood that the pictured Chestnut 4 yr old mare, Black/White pinto mare and Buckskin mare are the following horses:

139211 AD IDEM -CHESTNUT markings: STAR, STRIPE, CONNECTED SNIP, LEFT FRONT AND LEFT HIND PASTERNS HIGHER IN BACK, RIGHT HIND SOCK, WHITE.
by Kabuki ex a Supreme Heir mare, 2nd dam by Attache

139213 ACQUIESCENCE -BLACK WHITE PINTO
by Kabuki ex a Chubasco mare, 2nd dam Gift Certificate by Titleist

139992 GYPSY SEASHELL -BUCKSKIN markings: STAR, CONNECTED STRIPE AND SNIP TOUCHING BOTH NOSTRILS TO UPPER LIP, PARTIAL LEFT HIND CORONET, WHITE.
by Seas the Golden Day ex a Special Spirit mare, 2nd dam by Flashy Bourbon Peavine, 3rd dam by Wing Commander.


Saddlebred Rescue on the East Coast is a very good resource to see what SB’s look like, lots of pics –both when rescued and after recovery/rehab. Also very successful in their feeding of thin horses and treatment of injuries and health issues; they have placed hundreds of Saddlebreds over the years.
forum.saddlebredrescue.com/default.asp

A few resources for those who may not be aware yet of the many activities SB’s can do:

www.americansaddlebreddressage.com/

Chuck Grant, ‘Founder of American Dressage’, 1997 inductee US Dressage Hall of Fame
shineabit.com/sa01002.htm
shineabit.com/sa00001.htm

Saddlebred Sporthorses on COTH
chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=125041

Saddlebred forum on ablackhorse.com
forums.ablackhorse.com/index.php?s=cc20d95554723660bbdfb7699c248dd6&showforum=54

Many, many pics of SB doing everything!
www.saddlebredsarefun.com/

[Whitewolf821]

dbaldstockings said:

139211 AD IDEM -CHESTNUT markings: STAR, STRIPE, CONNECTED SNIP, LEFT FRONT AND LEFT HIND PASTERNS HIGHER IN BACK, RIGHT HIND SOCK, WHITE.
by Kabuki ex a Supreme Heir mare, 2nd dam by Attache

Could just be the angle of Annie, but I don't see the star and stripe on her. Is it there? Or is this for sure not her?

[schwung]

There is white on her face...if my memory serves correct she has a small star and then a thin stripe sort of in the middle of her nose. You can see the edge of it in the photos.

[monicabee]

I'm checking my pictures....

Annie does have a smidgen of a star and a short stripe under the noseband. She has a white sock on the left front that is higher in back...

Lets see, she has a rear right sock and yes, it is also higher in back... and no right front sock.

Sounds like a match!

[mrbakermiss]

How exciting, sounds to me like we're getting closer to identifying soem of these horses. I'm sure them being registered is going to help them find homes much quicker.

[monicabee]

Here's the post about my visit to Annie and Dutchess. I had a bit of a crush on Annie - hotblooded redhead that she is.

blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsebytes/

Talking to Lisa made me think we need to have a SAFE trail ride someday. Even if it happens in a lot of different places simultaneously rather than gathering in a herd.

[dbaldstockings]

I am posting this on Willow, Hope and Annie's threads for information.

I emailed the following questions to the ASHA registrar:

"Hello,

I am trying to clear up many questions I have been asked regarding some presumed Saddlebreds surrendered in a rescue case.

At this time, the former owner has not volunteered/may not be able to locate papers, nor may they be willing to sign transfers.

So, here are the questions:

It appears the horses are registered (age and markings seem to match) to the party who surrendered them, but to ensure positive ID, is bloodtyping necessary?

if so, what is the cost to match to one existing record – who from and how are these kits ordered?

If original reg. certificates are not forthcoming, can replacement certs be requested by the current “owner” ? cost?

When does the late fee for transfer kick in, since this was an emergency starvation situation and over 30 days have passed.

As the Sherrifs’ office (current owner) is unlikely to want to become members to complete any transfers, would back transfers be acceptable; final transfer to an individual final owner who joins the registry? Cost?

Do you allow Rescue organizations to become members with ASHA so they may transfer horses? Cost?

I realize this is fairly complex and look forward to your response.
Thank you for taking the time."
+++
The response (within 24 hrs)

"You would not necessarily need to blood type any rescued horse if all research pointed to a particular horse as being the rescued horse; however blood typing (if the horse was originally blood typed) would absolutely confirm if the horse has been identified correctly. The kits are $50 each and the kit would need to be ordered from our Registry. You can request a kit by phone and we do accept VISA or MasterCard for payment, or you may send a check or money order to the Registry, including the name of the horse.



Duplicate certificates can be ordered to replace lost papers. The Affidavit for lost/destroyed papers is on our website, www.saddlebred.com, if you need one of these. The cost for the duplicate papers is $50. The transfer fee is $50 and late fees do kick in after 30 days. There are no late fees for any transfers that have not been recorded as of yet, however these “back transfers” must be submitted with the current transfer. In other words all back transfers are $50 each, no matter when the horse was bought and the current transfer is $50 plus any late fees.



Membership is available to individuals only. If the recorded owner is a member then no additional membership would be required. As long as someone involved with the current transaction is a member that would cover the membership requirement.

Please contact me if you have any further questions or concerns.

Thank you,

Petra S. Green
Sr. Registry Supervisor "

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I hope this is of some use.

[cardicorgi]

Thanks, dbaldstockings! (hope the spaying went smoothly for your cats)

[dbaldstockings]

Thanks for asking about the gal-cats.

Both Waggles and Tiger-tail are progressing nicely. They were a bit exhausted and wanted to just sleep most of the first night/day.

But now...back to their regularly scheduled kitten-juvenile antics, I guess!

It is always wonderful to inherit a totally wild and of course preggers barn cat with your property purchase...we are still unable to trap mama, sigh.

By the way, at some point I read that the court case depended on 'willingness to comply' or something similar. you may want to present to the DA a request for registration papers on the horses -couldn't hurt?

There is a strong likelihood that several of the foals, especially Lilly, would be registerable as purebreds, too.

Note that ASHA has several recognition programs for non-Saddleseat disciplines, including competitive trail rides, dressage, etc.
www.asha.net/Prize-Saddlebred-Select
www.asha.net/Prize-Year-End-Awards

Thank you for all your effort returning your little herd to health.

[schwung]

Oh, Annie, Annie, Annie...

She's a little hothead that is for sure. Had a brief visit with her today and while she is very sweet, curious and wanting attention, if you scare her (and she scares easily), her reaction is to pin her ears and act out aggressively. I scared her when I reached to unsnap her leadrope and that was how she reacted. She is a tough mare that is going to need a gentle but firm touch to bring her around.

Fortunately, she does NOT look pregnant.

[dbaldstockings]

So glad you have experienced people to work with this mare! Acknowledge the bad without punishment (unless she does more than 'express' her opinions - no biting/kicking allowed, sorry) and reward the good with praise.

If you can bore yourself to tears working with this mare at first SLOWLY SHE TURNED AND STEP BY SLOW STEP...you will progress rapidly. Consistency will build her confidence.

Just don't get into the she jumps - you jump game or there may be a wreck; one of you has to keep their senses about themselves! LOL

AHEM: Some might say this is the TB influence coming through, but I will refrain from comment!

[schwung]

I've never seen a TB act out like she does...be jumpy yes, but act out with aggression? I doubt that's a breed thing at all...just an Annie thing? Our farrier tried again to get her back feet done - this is the 3rd or 4th time now she has worked with her and she is also an experienced trainer, but Annie is having none of it. She will let you brush her hind feet, but if you touch them with a bare hand, she will get very kicky and she's not really getting much better. Not sure what we are going to do with her. Her foster home is able to manage her but not really work on this - we really need to get her into the hands of a trainer and someone that has time to spend with her.