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Post by coconut on Sept 11, 2009 0:43:43 GMT -5
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Post by jennywho on Sept 11, 2009 1:00:52 GMT -5
Hasn't there been a repeating CL ad for TB's in Sultan including a stallion?
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Post by coconut on Sept 11, 2009 1:09:33 GMT -5
Hasn't there been a repeating CL ad for TB's in Sultan including a stallion? I saw one for a stallion that couldn't get along with others... I think the phrase they used said "doesn't do well in a large breeding program" ... said to take him alone to a mare herd or geld him. I saw that and thought ...hey, here's an idea .. YOU Geld him !!! I have no idea if this is the same outfit... |
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Post by monicabee on Sept 11, 2009 9:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by schwung on Sept 11, 2009 9:22:22 GMT -5
OMG...I went to this woman's property this weekend!!! She was advertising really cheap lumber on Craigslist...fenceposts and such. I went out there and then she was not home. The fencing was lying near the horses so we wandered over and looked at it, it was not what we were looking for but I couldn't help but notice all the horses...tons of them on very small acreage - mares and foals, etc. But they had hay and water and the horses I could see up close looked ok...maybe slightly ribby. One had a bandage on one leg I noticed. I left concerned but not feeling like it was something AC would do anything about. Perhaps because they were already on her and she was trying to clean up her act...not sure.
Wow...unbelievable.
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Post by shekaberry on Sept 11, 2009 10:27:44 GMT -5
Who has the horses now? I read the guys comments on the Herald site and he sounds a wee bit like a newbie who has no clue how to rehab a horse. Betcha this Mary person is the same. Too bad they don't heed the advice of leaving the rescuing to people with knowledge to do it.
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Post by coconut on Sept 11, 2009 10:34:06 GMT -5
... and 18 horses is WAY too many for less than 3 acres. There sounds like some serious denial going on  |
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Post by shekaberry on Sept 11, 2009 10:59:34 GMT -5
Either denial or delusion, or the famous combination of both. Do we know who has the horses now?
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Post by lynnm on Sept 11, 2009 11:22:50 GMT -5
They weren't just rehabbing...they were breeding. WTF!
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Post by cardicorgi on Sept 11, 2009 11:31:43 GMT -5
"During one visit, an officer said none of the horses had water. As the officer watered the horses, the animals were so thirsty, they fought each other to get to the water barrels, the court document said."  July was so hot, too - can you imagine if this happened during the 107ยบ week? Sounds like the neighbors really got things moving for the horses - they are there in that second link rebutting the husband's comments. |
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Post by coconut on Sept 11, 2009 12:30:42 GMT -5
ya know...I've pondered this question many times... What kind of responsibility does the landlord have in all this? As the owner of rental property, I'm aware that I can be held liable if I rent to a sex-offender or allow criminal activity to exist. It's up to me to check people out before I inflict them upon the neighbors. How many times have we seen the statement "...on their rented/leased property..." in stories about neglect/abuse? In the Elledge case I find it hard to believe that the actual owner of the property had no idea what was going on there (and I've always suspected they were somehow connected to her in the first place)... then we've got the issue with Serenity and their new neighbors who had been renting the property next door for several months, allowing their dogs to terrorize the neighborhood, attacking horses & causing their death. Now an estimated 18 horses on 2.3 acres is beyond irresponsible!!! It's hoarding...IMO doesn't that actually figure out to be worse than the PEC case w/40 horses on 6 acres (I might have my facts a little mixed up on that one..relying on my morning brain!...an angry morning brain at that!) If the property owners (or Property Manager...another area I have some connection to...) were keeping up on what was going on at their rental property they should have stepped in ..oh...about 15 horses ago...and said Whoa!!! there's too many horses...reduce or move...and you have 30 days to do it or Eviction There should be something in the rental agreement that states how many animals one can have. I charge a pet deposit. I would assume that if someone were renting horse property they'd stipulate how many can be housed there...if not for husbandry reasons...save your property from turning into a mud-hole folks! Self preservation if nothing else! Keep your property value up! Don't let folks run it into the ground!!! ok...and YES....if I was doing property checks and saw horses in bad shape I'd be all over them in a heart beat. ...it does make me wonder how far the owner can be held responsible! I know...I know...a whole new can of worms (and probably not very popular with some folks!) |
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Post by shekaberry on Sept 11, 2009 13:11:38 GMT -5
There is no excuse for no water. I thought I read that a couple were euthed, most were siezed, but they left a few horses with the owners? I hope I am wrong on that.
In SnoCo the owner of the property that is leased can be held partially liable if I am not mistaken. The place where Lola, Aiden and Wishes came from had the owners family members living onsite and AC told them that they could be held liable for the decline of the animals on their property.
But really, if you can't afford to buy decent hay should you really be acquiring more horses? No, not really. I hope they nail these people.
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Post by barberperformance on Sept 11, 2009 14:45:45 GMT -5
I agree with the whole to many horses per acre situation. It's one thing to have a barn where most of the horses are stalled 90% of the time with turnout during the day (as with my barn in the future) but to have 18 horses on such small acreage is just asking for trouble. First off, obviously there is no grass because the horses ruin any pasture you have so you have to feed hay two, three times a day, then there's the water which if not monitored correctly could cause dehydration or flooding... and then there's the space issue and pairing horses that won't fight issue. That situation is just a mess..
I'll admit, I over populated my barn this Summer and will have to pay the consequences and reseed my pastures one of these days. It sounded to me like she had an idea in mind of what she wanted to do and had plans, but they fell through. They always fall through, which is why I have back up plans.
It's just sad really that all these horses had to go through so much. I'm glad to hear that the neighbors worked quickly to help these horses. I hope that things are taken care of accordingly.
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Post by hops on Sept 11, 2009 20:01:38 GMT -5
Anyone have contact information to ask questions about the horses and where they are now? I have dealt with this woman and believe she had ended up with horse(s) I once worked with. PM is fine. I just left a message for the reporter but if anyone has a better number or email, please let me know.
Thank you.
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Post by cat67 on Sept 12, 2009 16:01:38 GMT -5
Damn it, she's the one who bought Monday and at least one other mare from Shelly Curtis. Where are the horses now? Can I do anything? Jaime, I will PM you my cell number.
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July was so hot, too - can you imagine if this happened during the 107ยบ week?
