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Post by eve on Jul 28, 2006 20:17:33 GMT -5
I also adopted one of the bucking stock--who has the 3 numbers/symbols across his rump. Rhea kindly told me the significance of this, but by then it was apparant that we and the horse had a lot to overcome before he would be willing to do anything at all with people, other than get rid of them asap.. He was named BlackJack by the CBER people, but has since been renamed Handsome. I understood that he was "unhandled", so wasn't too surprised that he was frightened. Actually, he had been handled very abusively, and I sincerely hope that his former owner fries in hell for what he does to horses. He absolutely deserves it. Nonetheless, it's taken a long time to get him where he is now. Here is a link to his photo album--with the pictures in chronological order. BTW, the grey standing with him in the first picture is Bam--so he must have liked other horses at some point. Handsome gets along very well in my mixed herd. pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eorndoff/album?.dir=d69b&.src=ph
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Post by jennywho on Jul 28, 2006 23:48:45 GMT -5
Eric and Patty, I am so thankful that you ended up with Bam, who knows what would have become of him without you willing to accept his limitations and love him for who he is. Over and over I see rescues that don't match their descriptions once home and I am thankful that their owners post updates. I really worry about the ones that don't. It seems to be a huge problem facing rescues these days, at least ones that are not willing to follow up on the horses once they are placed. Thanks so much for showing him love and compassion.
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Post by Ali on Jul 28, 2006 23:58:19 GMT -5
Wow, I am IMPRESSED with how much you have accomplished with BAM! Especially considering where he came from. He looks fantastic! I'm also VERY happy to hear you were able to get in touch with his former owner. The information you received is pertinent as to how you move forward with his training. Some people are not lucky enough to find past info like this & do end up seriously injured when something "sets" the horse off from his/her past. I don't see any harm in contacting the previous owner to verify past info. It's only a benefit for you & your horse to know how to handle him/her. Don't pay attention to the folks over there on cber. They are only hurting themselves by hiding information. Again, Thanks for the update & GREAT JOB!!!
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Post by leosolis on Jul 29, 2006 0:23:34 GMT -5
If you have read the thread, you would see that yes, she is happy you got him. AND, there are ALOT of past bucking stock that make good saddle horses. Have you never been to a rodeo? Very rarely do they buck after the flank strap is removed. Plus, he is young, why not hope that he can be turned around? I was Miss Northwest Rodeo many years ago & the stock contractor gave me a horse to ride, I went in made my run & went to go & tie him back to the trailer when he told me to pull his saddle & run thru the back into the chutes...I did as I was told still not really getting what was going on....Long story short about 15 minutes later the same horse I made my run in on, was in the bronc riding & they won the rodeo on him...SO bronc horse can be saddle horses. Even both in the same day..Everytime after that when I made a run on that horse the annoucer at the rodeo would tell the crowd the story....
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Post by perchknight on Jul 29, 2006 1:33:07 GMT -5
I am just glad that this horse is in a safe and loving home who will take care of him
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Post by cat67 on Jul 29, 2006 4:10:45 GMT -5
Hey, everybody, the SAFE mods are trying to enjoy their nice clinic weekend...can we ALL agree not to start any crap and let them actually relax and work with horses this weekend rather than police this board?
Just be nice.
And I agree with Jennywho, and kudos to Eric & Patty for giving Bam a safe home!
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Post by ericpattymartin on Jul 30, 2006 11:15:12 GMT -5
Bam comes home from the trainer in Mid August Eric is still going to work with him. But believe me when I tell her he is vertical when saddle is put on, I have never seen a horse buck that high except for rodeo, he will never have to go thru pain and suffering again in his life. We will always love him was just hoping for a riding horse since all 4 of ours are not. Now on the Shire Filly, she is only 200 miles from us and she is a rescue from Canada I believe and is not registered and will not be breed so doesn't matter to us. And thank you for the nice comments we really appreciate them and its so nice to have a bb that I can actually tell the truth about Bam and where he came from and hopefully it will help others. Patty
Talk to you all soon
Patty
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Post by eve on Jul 30, 2006 12:44:18 GMT -5
Hi Patty,
I'll be honest and tell you I was hoping someone else would step up for him--but I was "it", so I guess it was meant to be.
It's worked out pretty well, considering. I've certainly learned a lot from working with him, and feel it's made me a better horsewoman. He was aggressive at first, but speaking sharply and stamping my foot seemed to get the message across. It was a long time before I'd get into his pen/stall with him, but we got past that and we've been making steady progress since then. My hope is that he will someday learn to drive; but if not, he's quite a good looking pasture decoration.
Handsome had a terrible injury to his right front--a wire cut that almost sliced his heel bulb off, and was, of course, untreated. and I assume that's why BJ was dumped along with the rest of them. I suppose that's Mr. Hall's way of dealing with injuries (nice guy, no?). I'll tell you, I can't imagine talking to him about anything as I think he's the utter scum of the earth based on the mental and physical state of his horses. I'm surprised that anyone would talk to him at all, regardless of the legality of how he makes a living. I put someone who "earns" money through abusing animals right in the same line as a child molester and believe they deserve the same treatment.
When I was a child, it was common for bucking stock to be riding horses that could buck, given the right circumstances, and it wasn't unusual for bucking stock to also be used as pickup horses, what have you. Maybe leosolis encountered one of those during her rodeo queen days. There are a couple of retired bucking horses at Chuck's right now looking for a home. They're supposed to be gentle to handle, so maybe not every rodeo supplier is a savage brute.
Sorry you're sick. Get well soon and tell Bam hello from his old buddy.
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Post by ericpattymartin on Jul 30, 2006 20:12:09 GMT -5
As far as Mr. Hall goes I dont' think he even saw that very old injury to be very honest I didn't see it when he was playing at my house for over an hour and I was looking them over pretty closely.And as far as talking to him, I think any intelligent person with a xbucking horse would be an IDIOT NOT to want to know more on a possible very dangerous animal. That does NOT mean I like him because I can't stand anyone abusing or using horses in that manner but sometimes you have to eat the bullet to find out important information. Talking once to a outfitter to find out important info on the horse I bought from CBER was important to us and was he bothered by my call NO he said call back anytime, you might want to give him a call might have more info on Blackjack and his foot. I guess it would be just like adopting a child would I want to know the history? of course I would for medical and saftey issues.
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Post by eve on Jul 30, 2006 23:22:44 GMT -5
Handsome has two injuries. There is an old one, also looks to be a wire cut, but not too deep, on his left front. The latest one was still oozing when he got here, and really did a number on his medial heel bulb. It goes through the cornary at the quarters at a diagonal angle toward the sesamoid. I was so afraid that it was going to become infected and we wouldn't be able to treat it. It did finally heal, but looks awful. I guess a horse has to be tough to survive Mouse Hall, even though it has no hope of coming through it totally unscathed. I'm not surprised you didn't notice it because he has some major feathers.
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Post by twhgal on Jul 31, 2006 9:00:57 GMT -5
Excuse my ignorance, but I adopted Bubba from CBER. He was supposed to be bucking stock, but he was from a different group than Bam. What were you guys talking about when refering to a number on top of their butt? What does that signify? Thanks!
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Post by cat67 on Jul 31, 2006 10:26:20 GMT -5
The numbers relate to which bucking stock guy had them. The "69" horses all come from a certain guy. You can research what your horse's brand means. I ran my CBER mare's tattoo. There's actually no one to protect - her last registered owner was in 1991, so I doubt that is the person who dumped her at a killer dealer's in 2006. Fortunately, she is not bucking stock.
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Post by schwung on Jul 31, 2006 11:43:32 GMT -5
I am going to be doing some cleanup on this thread and ask that everyone please refrain from personal attacks or discussion about CBER and their policies here on this board. I realize many of us (including myself) have CBER horses but lets keep the discussion about the horses and NOT about CBER.
On another note, we discovered this weekend that Honeycutt has 2 numbers branded high on his croup on his left side. That said, while he did buck when the saddle went on and againt the first time Rick tried to mount, it was halfhearted at best and more like crowhopping than bucking. He was scared the first day but Rick was able to get on him and ride him a bit. The second day he never offered a single buck and walk/trotted/cantered under saddle without fear. Last night after everyone left and I went to feed him, he walked right up to me and asked to be pet, and the wary tense look I am so used to seeing on him was gone.
So, while it is clear that HC was treated badly at one point, and I'm quite sure he was hit/beat based on the way he would react if you raised your hand to pet him, he does not appear to have been bucking stock. Maybe he was intended as such and just had no buck, but in any case, it turned out to be quite easy to bring him around.
So don't give up hope yet!
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Post by rhea on Jul 31, 2006 13:21:42 GMT -5
the 3 digits across the top of the rump on BS horses represent their numbers used to identify them when they have in fact been used as buckers. Similar to a rider in the show ring weraing a number to identify themselve. This is done on BD to make certain no one switches horses and possibly for other reasons as well.
HC was probably not bucking stock. He is quite a handsome boy! Crow hoping and half hearted bucks to me just mean, "i don't like this, let me see if I can get you to stop" ;D. Sounds like HC is just reacting in a more typical horse manner and this should easily be dealt with by a rider who can sense his desire and let him know this will not work. For me, I find growling at them with a firm no works when my filly buckles up for a little "play time" with me on her back. Instantly comes back to me.
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Post by schwung on Jul 31, 2006 13:42:59 GMT -5
Rick and Dorothy did not feel HC was bucking stock either, just not broke yet. Once he got the idea, he was a different horse, not testing at all, very willing and cooperative and you could actually see the look of relief in his eyes when he realized that this was all that was going to be asked of him. I actually think he is going to do fantastic and will make someone an incredible partner.
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