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Post by kheersche on Oct 21, 2008 11:08:33 GMT -5
I wanted update this thread for the horses we rescued from a neighbor. We pulled a total of 6 from her property which she surrendered them to us after we contacted Animal Control. She was getting evited any day
Here is the list:
Arabian Stallion Chestnut aprrox 4yrs old very thin but gentle, halters, we will have him gelded next week
Arabian Black filly approx 3 yrs old very gentle, good shape, we updated her shot and trimmed, halters very well
Paint Mare approx 4 yrs old Black/White semi thin
Arabian Mare Black/Brown Aprox 5 yrs and pregnant thin, halters
Arabian Stallion Black approx 5 yrs old - gelded him last week and found a home
Paint Mare Chesnut approx 5 yrs, and pregnant due around February found a home
None of these horses have papers. We really need to find them good homes soon. Call us at 360-832-3625 or cell 253-691-5950
Our vert has offered to geld the Stallion for $100
We live in Eationville area
Thanks
Kris & Geoff
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Post by Buena on Oct 21, 2008 11:17:22 GMT -5
Please provide more details. Pictures, background, if they come with paperwork and/or medical histories. There are lots of folks on here with soft spots for Arabs.
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Post by kheersche on Oct 21, 2008 12:24:39 GMT -5
I can not provid much details as the owner is no where to be found. the stallion is very gently solid black. the preg mare is chesnut with 4 white socks. a neighbor of the lady states the she thinks the mare is 3-4years old and out of the ladys paint stallion she at one time. The stallion is 5-7 years old . They are the sweetest horses. the neighbor remembers seeing the ladys kids ride the stallion all around. will post pics later. thanks kristina
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Post by shekaberry on Oct 21, 2008 13:18:49 GMT -5
Is it not against the law to abandon your animals? Why are these people not being reported to the police and animal control?? Or are they?
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Post by coconut on Oct 21, 2008 14:04:44 GMT -5
I agree w/shekaberry....I had just been wondering the same thing ...if there isn't a proper protocol for abandonment in regards to the law. It's one thing to tell someone you just can't do it anymore and ASK them to take on the horse(s) but it's quite another to just leave them. I think this should be a news item...telling folks they can't just leave them at the nice barn down the street!!!!! It should not be legal and I can only hope there are laws in effect that would punish such an act. What would AC do if they received a call saying "I Can't do it anymore" ...if it were a dog/cat one would simply drop them at the shelter, right? (but wrong on many levels as well). What are these people supposed to do? What should WE be telling them if faced with this? I had a feeling that the strong media coverage of Friday's sentencing hearing would scare the pants off some people who may be in similar situations & force them into action but I hadn't considered that it might actually cause people to start dumping horses on other people's property. What a shame And...how irresponsible: A stallion & a pregnant young mare. This is just the beginning I'm afraid....
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Post by coconut on Oct 21, 2008 14:20:41 GMT -5
I just called my friend who works at KCAC and she said that it is absolutely illegal to abandon a horse on someone else's property. AC will take a report and file charges and/or a restitution order to pay for any expenses for abandoned animals. She said that she's certain this is the same proceedure for Pierce and Snohomish counties as well.
She had a urgent matter to attend to so I didn't want to tie her up too long on the phone but I would venture to guess that ALL AC's in every county lack the facilities to intake horses and might be interested in having them fostered out if one were willing. I am under the STRONG opinion, however, that we should all make sure that we advise/take all legal avenues available to deter this from happening in the first place and not let folks slide "this time". Afterall, there are organizations (uh...SAFE for instance) who will advise, assist and direct people to the PROPER way to give up custody of a horse. We just can't be quiet and let this happen otherwise it will get out of control very quickly.
at least that's my personal thought on it...
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Post by huskiesnhorses on Oct 21, 2008 14:33:50 GMT -5
apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=16.52.2071) A person is guilty of animal cruelty in the second degree if, under circumstances not amounting to first degree animal cruelty, the person knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence inflicts unnecessary suffering or pain upon an animal. (2) An owner of an animal is guilty of animal cruelty in the second degree if, under circumstances not amounting to first degree animal cruelty, the owner knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence: (a) Fails to provide the animal with necessary shelter, rest, sanitation, space, or medical attention and the animal suffers unnecessary or unjustifiable physical pain as a result of the failure; (b) Under circumstances not amounting to animal cruelty in the second degree under (c) of this subsection, abandons the animal; or (c) Abandons the animal and (i) as a result of being abandoned, the animal suffers bodily harm; or (ii) abandoning the animal creates an imminent and substantial risk that the animal will suffer substantial bodily harm. (3)(a) Animal cruelty in the second degree under subsection (1), (2)(a), or (2)(b) of this section is a misdemeanor. (b) Animal cruelty in the second degree under subsection (2)(c) of this section is a gross misdemeanor. (4) In any prosecution of animal cruelty in the second degree under subsection (1) or (2)(a) of this section, it shall be an affirmative defense, if established by the defendant by a preponderance of the evidence, that the defendant's failure was due to economic distress beyond the defendant's control.
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Post by kheersche on Oct 21, 2008 14:50:03 GMT -5
thanks for all the input animal control has been notified and is trying to relocate the owner as we speak. animal control stated there are no resources within their department to help out with cost etc., As far as criminal charges against her, they weren't sure and will refer the case to appropriate personnel? (whatever that means)
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Post by coconut on Oct 21, 2008 15:19:28 GMT -5
apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=16.52.207 (4) In any prosecution of animal cruelty in the second degree under subsection (1) or (2)(a) of this section, it shall be an affirmative defense, if established by the defendant by a preponderance of the evidence, that the defendant's failure was due to economic distress beyond the defendant's control. Does this mean that it's an acceptable defense to do it because they are no longer able to afford it? I guess I need some clarification on "affirmative defense". If that's the case how far to they have to go to prove they're financially unfit to care for the horses in order to avoid the legal trouble? I hope it's not a simple statement of "I don't have money so don't hold me responsible for leaving them for someone else to care for" I guess I'd like to know what AC would/could do if someone called and said "I'm done, come get them!" I don't know...it seems there's no easy answer. We don't want to see people disposing of thier horses by harsher, secretive means either... it's a tough situation from any angle.
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Post by kheersche on Oct 21, 2008 15:44:10 GMT -5
update animal control just contacted me and is unable to find the lady. according to them there are additional 4 other horse still on the property with 2 cows. they are unable to do anything at present time because the horses are in "good shape" therefore no crime has been committed. animal control will continue to try to locate the owner and will keep an eye on the horses. Also just a side note I was informed that she has 6 children with 2 of them in state custody. will keep you posted with updates thanks for all your input
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Post by bsnlark on Oct 21, 2008 15:51:15 GMT -5
I agree w/shekaberry....I had just been wondering the same thing ...if there isn't a proper protocol for abandonment in regards to the law. It's one thing to tell someone you just can't do it anymore and ASK them to take on the horse(s) but it's quite another to just leave them. I think this should be a news item...telling folks they can't just leave them at the nice barn down the street!!!!! It should not be legal and I can only hope there are laws in effect that would punish such an act. Maybe she should have left them at a firestation or police dept, or even a church......................
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Post by coconut on Oct 21, 2008 16:45:00 GMT -5
The last "Church" incident was down the street from my house. I can't even imagine why someone would just drop their baby like that when the firestation is right around the corner...and to think that poor father is being deployed to Iraq and grandma is going to be caring for the baby....I can't imagine waking up one day and finding out that your whole life has changed. I also can't imagine being a horse and waking up one day to be abandoned by the people you gave your heart to Thankfully I get to meet good people through rescue or I'd start being anti-people very quick
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Post by mytwoponies on Oct 21, 2008 17:56:24 GMT -5
Please keep us posted.
Perhaps you could "accidentally" geld him while she's missing. Ooops! I could not help myself. I didn't say that...
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Post by kheersche on Oct 25, 2008 19:42:26 GMT -5
update on found 3 horses: we finally found the lady and obtain release paperwork. currently we have 1 bay arab mare app. 3 years old; paint mare appr. 5 years old; a bay mare definitly preg; i bay arab stallion. pic to follow let me know if you can help. these horses need to be placed asap.
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Post by kheersche on Oct 25, 2008 20:02:39 GMT -5
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