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Post by cat67 on Jan 8, 2008 16:32:05 GMT -5
My understanding is that Whitewolf was told that they can be obtained for a price...it's not much though. We know who she is registered to and that person is far enough back that I do not believe they are in any way responsible for her condition...we can easily get replacements if we get that person's signature.
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Post by Rose on Jan 8, 2008 16:34:10 GMT -5
We have a photocopy of her papers. The difficulty is that as a rescue we do not allow breeding of the horses we adopt out. So I'm not sure if we want her papers to be released...not sure how to handle this at all. What if a person wanted to show or perform with her, not interested in breeding. Just becasue a horse is registered doesn't mean it will be bred. I know there are shows out there that allow horses not to be registered. I show my dogs but I don't breed them. They are registered and they need that to be shown. I know I'm jumping the gun because she needs to be rehabbed first, just curiuos.
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Post by jaybird on Jan 8, 2008 16:36:47 GMT -5
okay, that is true...but my understanding is that someone might want to breed her when they see her bloodlines. As long as we can come up with a way to avoid that, then we're okay. I just don't know how to avoid it.
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Post by Rose on Jan 8, 2008 16:42:30 GMT -5
Too bad there wasn't an injection they could give horse to make them sterile. They have one for dogs.
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Post by jaybird on Jan 8, 2008 16:43:18 GMT -5
I was just thinking the same thing.
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Post by Whitewolf821 on Jan 8, 2008 16:54:38 GMT -5
I have complete faith in SAFE's ability to find the perfect home for Isabelle when the time comes for that. I'm sure there are PLENTY of people out there looking for a beautiful girl to show or ride or just plain love on that realize why Isabelle should not be bred. And yes...I was told that the papers can be obtained for a price. Although, why you would be so adamant about keeping the papers and not the horse still mystifies me I do have a curiosity question though. What if the former owners are not aware of Isabelle's condition and want her back when they see her. Do the papers equal ownership in any way? I'm just a little concerned on that aspect and I don't quite understand all the legalities of it. I apologize in advance if this is a dumb question, but I was honestly wondering about it
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Post by cat67 on Jan 8, 2008 17:34:24 GMT -5
I don't see the problem...the adopter is held to all of the conditions of the contract, why is it any harder to hold them to the non-breeding clause than, say, to only keeping her at a facility with safe fence? You have a legal agreement and can take action if there is a default.
I would hate to see her barred from a future at AQHA events. There is so much to do, the shows, the horseback riding program, etc.
Papers do not equal ownership. The only way they'd have a claim is if they allege she was stolen from them and then that would have to be sorted out legally.
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Post by Rose on Jan 8, 2008 19:52:24 GMT -5
I would hate to see her barred from a future at AQHA events. There is so much to do, the shows, the horseback riding program, etc. This is exactly what I had in mind! It would be a real shame to see her barred from the AQHA world. She has so much to offer and not as a baby machine. It would be great to see her go from a wreck that she's become to a glorius halter winner.
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Post by Sara on Jan 9, 2008 10:36:11 GMT -5
there is also the whole thing that some people are just idiots and would breed her without the papers because of her bloodlines, or just because she has a uterus... you know how THAT goes. I think it just comes down to screening and also, as cat suggested, action under the contract if violated. I certainly apperciate the concern over the papers but I think you would do her a disservice by selling her without them.
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Post by monicabee on Jan 9, 2008 12:56:18 GMT -5
This is a tricky issue not just for rescues because of the breeding issue, but for people who retire race horses, because with the papers they can return to the track (and have). Sometimes holding the papers for a few months will deter anyone whose intentions aren't entirely straightforward.
If someone qualified wanted to show her, that would be good PR for SAFE and the whole rescue process.
But first she needs to get healthy!
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Post by Rose on Jan 9, 2008 16:51:49 GMT -5
I want to sponser Isabella.....can I, can I?! Please, please, please. I have a fondness for her that is growing.
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Post by jaybird on Jan 9, 2008 17:02:40 GMT -5
yes, absolutely you can! I am putting the finishing touches on the web page as we speak (I swear!!!) and that will allow you to easily set up a monthly sponsorship for Isabelle. And thank you so much!! edited to add: okay! The sponsorship program is launched!! Click here for details: www.safehorses.org/you_help/sponsor.html
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Post by Rose on Jan 9, 2008 20:44:09 GMT -5
I am an offical sponser of $25/ month to Isabelle. I'm sorry that it cannot be more. I just signed up! Enjoy your new digs Isabelle! I look forward to your updates.
Rose
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Post by Buena on Jan 9, 2008 21:19:27 GMT -5
There is always spaying and there are multiple facilities in WA that will perform the procedure, at varying costs, if someone wants to get really serious about a no breeding clause and worrying about if it will stick or not. Spaying is about as permanent solution as you can get. I have a friend who spayed her mare and I contemplated it many times with Ariel.
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Post by Rose on Jan 10, 2008 0:56:39 GMT -5
Spaying dogs and cats is expensive enough, I cannot imagine how much it would be for a horse. Since it usually priced by weight. It is permanent, that is for sure.
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