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Post by shellyr on Mar 28, 2007 9:42:58 GMT -5
The mustard consistency is correct. For Sione, I bought a 50cc syringe that had ounce measurements on the side. Using a knife, I would scrape enough clay into the syringe to equal a 1 oz. measurement. If you have extra, it is easy to squirt it out until you have the 1 oz. in the tube. Then, I just acted like it was wormer, and syringed it in. Give this method a try about 20-30 minutes before you feed him next time. I would give the Clay, then go water and feed everyone else, and then come back and feed Sione. If you have any other questions, just holler.  Actually - I've been making a mustard consistency from the powder and putting a couple good squirts on his grain. Should I portion off a little grain ahead of the meal or how did you feed just the paste? Thanks!! |
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Post by huskiesnhorses on Mar 28, 2007 10:12:23 GMT -5
Thanks Shelly! I will give that a try - I was hoping to avoid the syringe (he can be a real pill about anything going into his mouth) but I will perservere!
Thanks again for all the advice!
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Post by cat67 on Mar 28, 2007 10:20:39 GMT -5
Yes, those fussy TB's...argh! I go through the same thing....they do like the chocolate chip cookies instead of eating their veggies though! I try and get away with only feeding a little bit of alfalfa, and when I feed the grass, I get the the "what is this" look, Raina sniffs it, and then walks away to let me know that she is not happy with what has been given... Ha ha, so true. Mine have decided timothy is OK but they turn up their noses at grass hay. And actually, that's only 1 TB out of the bunch now that I think about it...and 3 fussy QH mares! |
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Post by huskiesnhorses on Apr 18, 2007 21:54:22 GMT -5
ok - I continue to be absolutely blown away by the incredible result I am getting from this miracle clay on his cribbing. Now folks, I am talking about a serious cribber here. He cribs on anything that is available - which is not limited to stall fixins - he regularly cribs on cross ties when he is in them, on his own blanket while he is wearing it and Redmond's blanket while he was wearing it. Of course not to mention all the fencing and the taking down of said boards. He cribs so hard on our gazebo in our back yard, my husband is concerned he will bring it down. Now you know how hard core he is. He cribbed so bad that I got into it with a fellow boarder at the last boarding barn I had him at because she did not want her horses to 'catch it'. Sigh... ANYWAY! I took him off the miracle clay temporarily to try some medication that would help ulcers and it really didn't do much for him at all. Then I got the 50 cc syringe, and starting Monday morning, I squirted 1 oz into his mouth about 15 mins before I fed him anything. Today, Wednesday at dinner time, he cribbed all of 3 times during his meal and none of those were during his grain consumption which is typically when he is almost frantic to crib and it is constant. I AM BESIDE MYSELF! And believe me - I am more than willing to deal with the downside but if anyone has any suggestions....Chewy and Redmond now have 24/7 access to the pasture. So, as you can imagine, the sequence since Monday has been - walk out to the barn at feeding time, halter Chewy, put him in stall/cross ties/administer dosage. You all see whats comin! Yup - he ran away from me this morning. I can always go back to squirting it in his grain, but I am definitely getting a much better result from the 15 mins before feeding as Shelly suggested. I've tried brushing him and fussing over him and even giving him a small treat (but apparently the clay makes the taste of treats not so appealing and he refused the treats - probably to make me feel REALLY guilty  ) So, thoughts anyone? I don't want him running from me every time it's feeding time and I pick up a lead or a halter. I've tried explaining to him that I am trying to help him. Redmond just peeks around the corner to see if he is next (I'm sure he thinks Chewy must be just FULL of worms!  thanks for any and all suggestions!! |
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Post by cutiepiepmu on Apr 20, 2007 3:04:45 GMT -5
I can say without a doubt that the U-guard is the BEST OTC product for mild stomach irritation and small to moderate ulcer issues. It has worked on so many horses now that I have delt with it is amazing. Obviously - for serious ulcer issues or if they are off feed - they need to be on gastroguard and penicillian for treatments. Definately remove the alfalfa for a bit as well and when choosing a pellet - make sure it is CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN. Sterret brothers pellets are generally very good in all varieties - they make a timothy pellet that I like very much - also make a timothy/orchard grass blend pellet that is good. If you find your kid to drop some weight when loosing the alfalfa, try adding a few pounds fo soaked beet pulp daily Sara in WA |
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Post by cutiepiepmu on Apr 20, 2007 3:07:50 GMT -5
How much does the clay cost - I am interested in it as well I have not tried the clay and by the great reviews and certainly interested:) Sara in WA |
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Post by huskiesnhorses on Apr 20, 2007 10:51:18 GMT -5
send a pm to clearlybluebreeze - she is a distributor
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Post by huskiesnhorses on Apr 20, 2007 10:54:13 GMT -5
oh and as an update to his progress - this morning during breakfast-- he did not crib at all! To say that I am absolutely stunned is an understatement. It truly IS a miracle!
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Post by huskiesnhorses on Apr 28, 2007 9:36:59 GMT -5
Thought I would give an update on the Miracle Clay and Chewy.
I no longer have a problem catching and dosing him, he has decided it isn't so bad and he actually lets me walk up to him out in the pasture and dose him sans halter or lead or anything! That's the good news.
The bad news is that I think that he holds it in his mouth and doesn't get it swallowed down and clear his mouth of the taste because it totally turns him off from eating. I have started dosing him up to an hour before his meal to try to encourage him to eat at least some grass to clear the taste but to no avail. I have even stood him in ankle deep lush grass right after dosing him and he has run his nose thru it but refused to eat it.
So, at meal times, I end up holding his grain tub under his nose and singing the following song:
Chewy eat your breakfast
Chewy eat your breakfast
Chewy eat your breakfast,
After about 5 - 10 minutes of that verse and pushing the grain around with his nose, 1 of 2 things will happen, either he will take a little birdie bite of grain (and that's all he needs to get started) or I will cheat and if he yawns, I throw a little grain in his mouth and that does the trick too.
Still amazed at the effect it has on his cribbing! And I can deal with the downside....pretty darn happy overall!
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Post by Buena on Apr 28, 2007 12:06:05 GMT -5
Can you try doing a few doses of applesauce? Maybe every time you dose with MC you give a squirt of applesauce before and/or after. And some times just dose with applesauce just for the heck of it when no MC is involved. get him real good about it and then no matter what you need to give him he's BEGGING for the syringe.
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Post by shellyr on Apr 29, 2007 11:09:16 GMT -5
I'm so glad to hear the MC is working for Chewy. Glad to hear that he is getting better about taking it too. At first, it can be hard to get them to take it because when their stomach hurts, they don't want anything going in that is going to make it hurt worse. Once they realize that their tummy is feeling better, they will usually take it pretty willingly. Another thing that can help is to cut back the grain amount you are feeding, and up the hay pellets. Grain and stress has been responsible for many ulcers in horses. I would also recommend adding DynaPro to help his gut work more efficiently, and become healthier. Sara, the MC from Dynamite is $24.95 plus $1.95 shipping for a 1 lb jar. When you mix it with the water to activate it, you can get 25-35 doses out of a jar.....depending on how big of a dose you give. It is very cost effective at around $1.00 per dose! |
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Post by huskiesnhorses on May 4, 2007 17:06:11 GMT -5
OK - another update on The Chew - I had previously tried the applesauce trick and it really made no difference to him in his happiness level, it also seemed to take away some of the efficacy of the clay - I didn't try that for long.
Now, I am giving him 1 dose a day - about an hour to 2 hours before his dinner meal and that seems to be making us both happy - I don't have to tramp out in the pasture 45 mins before his breakfast only to beg him to eat it anyway and usually he has finally worked it down so I'm not begging him to eat his dinner either.
I am not even going to try to take him off it - that will just be his maintenance dose for the rest of his life. Now the only time he really cribs is after being given treats but it's short in duration and I attribute that more to habit than pain.
I am and always will be completely amazed!
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Post by huskiesnhorses on May 25, 2007 11:15:09 GMT -5
Next update - things have gone downhill a bit. I have gone back to dosing him twice a day as the cribbing has picked back up. Not to the amount of cribbing he did before medicating him at all but certainly more than he was initially doing on the treatment.
The only difference that I can discern is that when he was cribbing the absolute least amount - the bag of LMF Development I was feeding him from was particularly dry and now the bags I am currently feeding him from are a bit more sticky with molasses or whatever sweetner they use. It makes sense that the more sugar he gets - the more acid his stomach may dump or more discomfort he may feel but I am seeing a tad more cribbing during his non meal times out in pasture.
On a side note, I do notice that the less he cribs - the more 'down' he seems. The more he cribs - the happier mentally he seems. I do know about the endorphin thing - but if he gets such an endorphin rush from it - why cut down cribbing at all even when medicated? It's hard to believe that they wouldn't "get" the cause and effect since it happens "together" - or at least it should.
SIGH!!!! SO FRUSTRATING. Maybe I should go grab some board......
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Post by Gingersmom-Tate on May 25, 2007 12:43:45 GMT -5
I agree and understand your frustration. Sione has been back on miracle clay and u-guard, but when she gets excited she still cribs only the pipe fence, never on wood. So, she gets u-gard everytime she eats any grain or mash, and miracle clay once a day. I really believe that it is a habit with her, her front teeth show the abuse.
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Post by huskiesnhorses on May 25, 2007 13:23:55 GMT -5
knock on wood - Chewy has no digestive upsets nor do his teeth show much wear at all despite his 11 years of age. Like to keep both that way! But ohhhhhhh my fennnnnnnces!!!
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