myhorsefaith
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Post by myhorsefaith on Jul 6, 2010 16:43:21 GMT -5
Some horses seem to really have a problem with hay, especially orchard and alfalfa, here. I've personally known about 10 horses in my 7 years here who could not eat orchard (or alfalfa) hay without having horrible manure. For them, they did seem to resolve on pasture grass, and in the winter, eating Timothy. Bio Sponge by Platinum Performance works great, but I'd have a vet consult before and while using it. Psyllium supplements like sand clear can also help. I've asked many vets up and down king and snohomish county, as well as some hay growers, and everyone seems to have their own theory as to why. And who knows, maybe for each horse their intolerance is caused by something different. But there certainly things out there that can help them feel better.
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rodeo51
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Post by rodeo51 on Jul 6, 2010 17:49:14 GMT -5
Arabs sure do like to show what there likes and dislikes are don't they...LOL Got to love them though! :-)
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lisam
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Post by lisam on Jul 7, 2010 9:42:37 GMT -5
My Dusty can't tolerate hay, either--she gets very, very runny poop. So she gets beet pulp, low carb hay pellets, and a little bit of pasture. Vitamins and minerals and BOSS and flax.
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Post by schwung on Jul 7, 2010 12:47:15 GMT -5
Please think good thoughts for Jasmine who is colicking this morning. Jet's barn manager found her lying down in the pasture this morning and was not interested in eating. The vet is with her now and did a rectal and she had some pretty dry hard manure in there, so he is tubing her.
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bsnlark
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Post by bsnlark on Jul 7, 2010 13:10:41 GMT -5
as my warped dear ol dad would say: Friend or Enema good luck , Jasmine
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Post by schwung on Jul 7, 2010 13:32:08 GMT -5
Jasmine has been tubed and the vet said she is very dehydrated (probably from the diarrhea) and is coming back this afternoon to put her on an IV to get some fluids in her.
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Post by qhflicka on Jul 7, 2010 13:39:48 GMT -5
Dry hard manure - She is not drinking enough water. Horses do not always know what is best for them. All horses should be on loose minerals in the warmer months. They will ingest more than they can lick off the blocks, and it will make them thirsty and they drink more water.
Arabians are more prone to colic than other breeds, according to 'the Horse' website.
Good thoughts for beautiful, sweet Jasmine.
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Post by qhflicka on Jul 7, 2010 13:53:41 GMT -5
Diarrhea - is Jasmine sick with a bug or is the diarrhea from alfalfa hay, grain? What is her diet?
My drafts are prone to colic. They colicked many times in their previous home., but not once with us in the 3 years, we have had them. The reason is, I make sure they have food in their stomachs at all times. Summer, they are on pasture 24/7 and get a flake of alfalfa in the evening as a treat. During winter they are on blue grass hay 24/7 and get 4 flakes of Alfalfa a day. In the wild, horses graze 20 hours a day. Their digestive systems are designed for that. They are not designed to eat only twice a day ie. maybe only 2 hours a day.
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Post by schwung on Jul 7, 2010 14:06:24 GMT -5
If you read the above Jasmine has had chronic, off and on diarrhea since she was rescued 2 years ago. We've tried just about everything for her. We are going to put her on some electrolytes to keep her drinking and according to Jet she was already drinking a ton. The next step is Miracle Clay or Bismo-Kote if we can't get the diarrhea to resolve. I think putting her back on pasture is going to help as well.
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Post by qhflicka on Jul 7, 2010 14:39:11 GMT -5
There must be a reason for her intermittent diarrhea, and therefore a solution. I know you would have had faecal counts for worms done, had her teeth floated, she is getting probiotics, electrolytes, minerals, vitamins.
Sand colic, polyps, ulcers, enteroliths?
Unfortunately, the vets cannot think of everything. What have we not considered?
Jasmine is very fortunate to be in SAFE's care.
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Post by qhflicka on Jul 7, 2010 14:58:28 GMT -5
Here is an article from "the Horse " on enteroliths, common in Arabians and Morgans. You may have to sign in to see the article. www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=14907Here is a quote "We found that horses fed alfalfa had a higher pH (more alkaline) in their gut than those fed grass hay," she said. Another factor in stone formation appears to be stall confinement versus pasture turnout. "Horses that are routinely turned out to pasture are at lower risk for enterolithiasis," she noted. "There is also a strong breed predilection for the Arabian and Morgan horse breeds, and a slight predilection in American Miniatures, but it can occur in any breed."
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shekaberry
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Post by shekaberry on Jul 7, 2010 15:48:04 GMT -5
I hope she pulls through and is OK, for an Ayrab she's alright I've often wondered if there was any correlation between the decade-plus years of neglect and numerous foals that would wreak havoc on a horses organs and their function. Jazz probably didn't have any good care (or feed) for a good deal of her life. With the drastic weather change and her previous diarrhea issues, it's probably hard on her.
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Post by coconut on Jul 7, 2010 18:05:09 GMT -5
Just a quick update: I just got home from the barn & it's been a long day but she seems a little more alert now and for the time being, comfortable. She's got Coconut's luxury digs for the evening and was a pretty good patient. Dr. Tooman thinked she looked better this afternoon than she did this morning and it appears that we caught it early on but he was most concerned about the toxicity of the stuff that was stuck in there. She never had any rolling and twisting so there's that, but she was completely lethargic this morning and very dehydrated. While getting her IV Fluids she did pass some more of those hard poop balls but nothing in the form of the mineral oil or diarrhea and she hasn't drank anything. We did add electrolites to the water and hope she'll get motivated soon.
We have a cute photo to post later, but I have to run out for a bit (and check back in with Jasmine)
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Post by coconut on Jul 7, 2010 19:17:44 GMT -5
apparently I should not be leaving and going to the shop today...I just got a call from Maeve that Jasmine has decided to lay down again and is breathing heavy. I'm on my way. She got a sedative at 2pm-ish for her IV and it seems like it might be time to re-dose her w/banamine.....keep *jingling* for her...here's her cute little sedated face & her "magic healing flowers" (hoped Dr. Tooman!)
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Post by monicabee on Jul 7, 2010 23:06:24 GMT -5
Jingling like mad....
For these horses who have been so challenged in the past, we they need a little extra magic as well as vet care.
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