shekaberry
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Post by shekaberry on Jun 9, 2010 12:59:12 GMT -5
Maybe SAFE could take them
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Post by blackwhite on Jun 9, 2010 19:34:12 GMT -5
You are most welcome, many of us are wishing Corinne well and success.
One other stallion, a three year old named "Little Joe" appears to belong to a woman named Charla Wilder of Valley View Percherons. We do not know how Spink came to be in ownership of "little Joe" it may have been a business venture, a or even a co-ownership arrangement. Ms Wilder is trying to get this stallion returned to her. I suppose she learned from the media after the fact, what non breeding activities this stallion was really going to be used for, and was mighty upset and disgusted about it! I am amazed someone posted they would love to have Capone, I must remind readers that all of these animals were trained and conditioned to engage in sex with men on a frequent, regular basis,, that is the reason none of the male dogs are neutered and none of the stallions were gelded.
These animals are probably not suitable for pet homes, even after neutering they would retain inappropriate behavior people would find disturbing. In some cases involving bestiality, the animals involved were deemed best to be euthanized due to behavior issues. All of the dogs are adults, so they have been exposed to this abuse over a long term period. I must also caution readers, as to Capone, would you really want to be the owner of him knowing that at any time, Mr Spink or one of his drug friends could come in the middle of the night to steal him back or file a lawsuit of somekind, or harass you? Do you really want the negative press and horrible baggage that would accompany this horse everywhere now, due to the globally published association with bestiality, and having been trained to engage in sex acts with men? He should probably be gelded at the very least, and maybe placed quietly in an animal sanctuary somewhere, where no one knows who he is, and where Spink will never find him.
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Post by jaybird on Jun 9, 2010 19:48:12 GMT -5
Amen to that, blackwhite. Such a tragedy for these animals.
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Post by shekaberry on Jun 10, 2010 11:29:25 GMT -5
Soooo, because of their history, you suggest the animals be destroyed? That they are beyond the point of rehabilitation? I don't know if you missed it, but Capone is a pretty talented sporthorse and was quite competitive in the Grand Prix jumper arena earlier in life. Snip him and the rest, yes, but to destroy him would be a tragedy.
I hope the horses find appropriate homes where they can be treated and employed as they were meant to be.
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Post by schwung on Jun 10, 2010 12:32:01 GMT -5
I honestly think we are all speculating about the condition and the behavior of the horses. If there is such lasting damage that even with gelding the stallions cannot be safely handled by humans then euthanasia may have to be an option. I heard there have been ongoing problems with the stallion that was rescued from the Enumclaw case a few years back that went to Hope for Horses, but I don't know how bad they are, and that was a small Arabian, not a huge Warmblood or draft horse.
I think black/white also raises some very good points about the risks associated with whomever ends up with these horses. Doug Spink is hopefully facing some jail time but probably not enough, and he sounds crazy enough and "in love" (eww) with his horses enough to stalk them when he gets out. I sure wouldn't want him on my property, that's for sure! And because of that, that may limit the ability for these horses to go back into show homes, even if they were able to be competed again.
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Post by blackwhite on Jun 10, 2010 12:49:37 GMT -5
Soooo, because of their history, you suggest the animals be destroyed? That they are beyond the point of rehabilitation? I didn't say that, I said that in similar cases, humane shelters evaluated the animals involved (usually dogs) and determined they could not be adopted out to a family due to behavioral issues. What family would take a dog who bites anyone who puts their hand on the dog's rump? The shelter would be liable for a lawsuit if a dog they adopted out to a family bit their toddler because the child bumped up against the dog's rear, and the dog freaked out thinking it was going to be another sexual attack. I am well versed with Capone's record, but he is one stallion of thousands out there in the horse world. He should be gelded and placed quietly somewhere far away from Spink and his buddies, because Spink has a total obsession with this stallion. According to what I've read, he was stolen back from Corinne Super, Spink claimed he spent $100,000 in legal bills when the horse vanished, but on the other hand he claimed he doesn't own this horse, that some mysterious "syndicate" does. Anywhere this horse winds up, he will be at an extreme and real risk for vanishing in the middle of the night. His name is forever associated with and connected to bestiality, to Spink, and his sordid history. That is everyone's desire here, but whomever winds up with this horse will be in for a major headache, that would include having to have 24-7 security and living far away from Washington. The owner would probably be subjected to on-line harassment, badgering, emails, phone calls, maybe even a lawsuit in an effort by this man to get his "soul mate" back. It wouldn't be a pretty scene owning this horse, or dealing with people's jokes and inuendos about owning a horse trained for sex with men. Spink's hearing is tomorrow, hopefully there will be a bunch of animal rights and welfare advocates in the courtroom. Tomorrow is the day of decision on the fate of these animals, and whether or not this loon gets them returned to him.
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Post by schwung on Jun 10, 2010 12:55:50 GMT -5
I wish that I was able to be there for the hearing. Black/white will you be there and can you give us a report on what happens?
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Post by ecaitlynn on Jun 10, 2010 12:56:34 GMT -5
I think it is WAYYY to early to talk about destroying these animals. Really.
As to Capone, giving his owner the benefit of the doubt that she didn't know what was going on with this horse, I think the owner should have some input as to whether he is gelded or not.
Beth Thompson
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Post by blackwhite on Jun 10, 2010 18:53:05 GMT -5
I think it is WAYYY to early to talk about destroying these animals. Really. As to Capone, giving his owner the benefit of the doubt that she didn't know what was going on with this horse, I think the owner should have some input as to whether he is gelded or not. Beth Thompson Not really too early at all, the hearing is tomorrow at 1:30 PM, that is when the decision will be made as to custody of these animals and where they go. If the Whatcon=m county shelter is awarded permanent custody, they will have to evaluate and deal with them. They have reported in their lawsuit documents that they are having behavior difficulties with some of the animals, and they are a small shelter and cannot hold animals long term. As it is, Capone and one other stallion are being boarded elsewhere at a cost of over $750/mo each because they don't have the facilities to deal with four stallions and the mares they have there, and keeping them apart. He facing jail time, but given the fact he only got three years in jail on the drug charges originally, despite mandatory ten year sentence laws, and the fact his friend Mr Clarke (who was arrested and convicted of bestiality) only got thirty days and $1,000 fine despite being caught on video sexually abusing three of Spink's dogs, I don't hold a lot of faith in the Whatcom county judicial system. So far, I have not heard of charges on the animals, only on his Federal probation violation which can net him up to five years. The county is waiting to see what the Feds do, so if the Feds sentence him to five years there is no point (in the county's mind) to prosecute on the animal charges when it won't add any more time. It is highly unlikely he will serve five years or even one year. Yes, he certainly will try to get these animals back, especially Capone whome he is totally obsessed with. Capone is also his free money ticket since he doesn't have a job, he can live off stud fees and trial wins if he gets this stallion back intact, all the while continuing to engage in his warped activities with him, probably after relocating to a new state. The dogs would be easy to send to other shelters in other states and be absorbed and lost in the system, never to be identified. The fear is his beasty friends will try every trick they can to acquire these animals either for themselves, (or to hold onto for Spink to recover later) if they are adopted out, and identified as being from the Spink seizure. Capone and Cantour's photos and names are known all over, they would be easily recognized. Ms Super had no idea what he was doing, but according to court documents, Ms Super had posession of Spink's computers and animals when he was in jail on drug charges, she discovered a number of pornographic photos of him on his computer with her horse in her barn (I'll save you the graphic description of them) and turned these over to her attorney, along with other evidence. Sometime after that was when the whole "stolen horse" thing hit the news, she discovered what was going on and was actually rescuing the horse back away from this man. Pasado's Safe Haven staffers will be at the hearing, maybe both of them, I will not be able to attend, but I will be happy to post an update on the outcome just as soon as I have the specific information at hand. Pasado's by the way was the group who set in motion this bestiality law to begin with, they saw the need and approached the right Senator and it was drawn up and passed, they are to be commended and supported for their efforts. They have an action alert on this case on their web site, and the information about the hearing dates/times. I will close with one more thought, what ever happens to these animals, keep in mind that there is one person who was responsible for this, not the humane society, not the state or county, not the law, the one who is 100% responsible for the predicament these seven dogs and four horses are in, and their ultimate fate is Douglas Spink. He made the conscious choice to become involved in activities that society does not approve of, and which is a crime, he got caught because of his own clutziness, now his animals have been paying the price for the last 43 days for his version of "love."
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Post by blackwhite on Jun 11, 2010 20:31:45 GMT -5
A minor update, Corinne Super has been awarded custody of Capone, YAY!!!
Cantour is still not resolved, the Percheron was awarded back to his owner (not Spink)
Spink's MOM showed up in court and was screaming at the animal shelter director, and shelter director said she will, quote: "fight to the death for the custody of these dogs"
That is all I have at the moment, but it is showing the system seems to be working, we will see.
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Post by schwung on Jun 11, 2010 22:42:41 GMT -5
Wow. Unbelievable. Maybe mom is the one who introduced Spink to bestiality when he was growing up? I can't imagine what mother would not only defend her son in such a thing when there is video evidence, but want the dogs he abused to go back to her son! It's a crazy world we live in.
Great news about Capone and the Percheron. Hopefully they will at least give Cantour to the county so they can place him and so we can all breathe easy that Spink won't be getting him back, at least. And the dogs too.
Thanks for the update!
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Post by blackwhite on Jun 12, 2010 0:20:28 GMT -5
Wow. Unbelievable. Maybe mom is the one who introduced Spink to bestiality when he was growing up? I can't imagine what mother would not only defend her son in such a thing when there is video evidence, but want the dogs he abused to go back to her son! It's a crazy world we live in. Great news about Capone and the Percheron. Hopefully they will at least give Cantour to the county so they can place him and so we can all breathe easy that Spink won't be getting him back, at least. And the dogs too. Thanks for the update! We don't know what her story is of course, but this is amazing. She has either been conditioned and hoodwinked into believing all the material is faked, forged, people out to "get" her little boy, or people who don't "understand" his "love" or she is really clueless, or a third possibility is she has something like the "battered wife syndrome" and is afraid, compliant and complacent to his demands. When Doug filed for bankruptcy, she was listed as a creditor to the tune of $80,000 read for yourselves from his 2005 arrest: "He's owed a lot of people a lot of money," said Erika Helgesson, Spink's former executive assistant at defunct Worldmodal Network Services. Helgesson said Spink owes her $30,000 for seven months' pay.
Spink's enemies exulted at the news of his arrest.
"That's wonderful," said one, Kit Kung, a New Jersey businessman who won a $5.7 million judgment against Spink and his companies in the messy wake of a takeover struggle a few years ago. Kung and his partners never collected the judgment.
Even Spink's mother, Claire Spink of Harmony, Pa., is a creditor - to the tune of $80,000.
"At least," she emphasized.
Spink listed her as a creditor when he and his estranged wife, Judy Spink, filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2002. Claire Spink said her money went, among other things, to finance Spink's MBA education at the University of Chicago and to buy expensive horses. www.heraldnet.com/article/20050308/NEWS01/503080725/0/RSS01The dogs and Cantour are still unknown as to their status, but the shelter director is going to fight to the proverbial death for the dogs. Maybe those so inclined who would like to help her out in some small way in the battle will consider a donation to that shelter earmarked specifically for the Spink case animal rescue, and directed to Ms Clark. Feel free to enclose a note with your comments and supportive words Whatcom Humane Society 3710 Williamson Way Bellingham, WA 98226 Laura Clark, Executive Director (360)733-2080, ext # 3026 E-mail: director ( at ) whatcomhumane (dot ) org
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Post by blackwhite on Jun 15, 2010 8:10:38 GMT -5
Sharon has a good addition to her blog on Spink's case, it's quite funny too, but the important part I will copy to this post. sharonmcleod.ca/blog/archives/658 What (Sharon) would like everyone to do is email Whatcom County Prosecutor Dave McEachran. His email address is dmceachr@co.whatcom.wa.us If you want it easy, just copy and past the text below and send it to him: … Dear Mr. McEacharan, I have been following the case of Doug Spink, and I understand you are currently contemplating whether or not to press charges against him for animal abuse. I am writing to urge you to press charges in this matter. While I am sure Doug Spink will be going to jail on other charges not under your jurisdiction, the animal cruelty (specifically bestiality) committed upon the horses and dogs – among other animals – is reprehensible. It is a proven fact there is a link between animal abuse and other, violent, crimes against humans. Doug Spink is a man who has gotten away with much in his lifetime, lets not let him get away with this vile crime. This case is receiving much coverage, not only in Washington but internationally. It is time to step up and show those watching that this kind of inhumane treatment of animals, who rely solely on humans for kindness and care, is unacceptable. Sincerely, Your Name … If you want to write your own email, feel free. Link back to this blog if you like. Please keep it professional and clean though, as he’ll be much more likely to read it and care what you think.
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Post by cheriecalgary on Jun 16, 2010 16:55:50 GMT -5
Hi everyone... it's Sharon. I write the blog at www.sharonmcleod.ca/blog and just wanted to say hi, and thanks for reading. I got interested in Spink because I'd seen Capone I compete at Spruce Meadows in Calgary, and when I'd seen what that horse had to live through, it amazed me that he still had the capacity to compete in such senior levels. So, once I started reading Spink's messages, I couldn't believe the things he was saying (and getting away with). Anyway, I just wanted to say hi, and feel free to chat at my blog as well. Yes, I do have a bit of "insider" information now, due to a few people contacting me after reading my blog... but that doesn't mean I know everything! I am glad to see so many people who care, and who help, and who get involved. Please send a note to the prosecutor! That's all *I* can do from up here, and I hope it helps. To my knowledge it has not "officially" gone out that there will be no state charges stemming from the abuse, bestiality, etc., so if everyone sends a note, maybe that will make him think twice before he DOES make it official. This man is an elected official. Make him understand that he will NOT be elected again if he chooses to go ahead and NOT press charges.
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Post by shekaberry on Jun 16, 2010 17:01:11 GMT -5
Hi Sharon, I like your blog and the way you write; is it correct that he is only facing 30-90 days? Since everyone knows where Capone is going isn't it a major concern that he will try to get him back?? I too saw him compete and was surprised that caliber of a horse could end up with such a lowlife.
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