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Post by zebradreams07 on Oct 22, 2009 23:41:51 GMT -5
So, the horses winning ribbons at the breed shows are technically outside breed standards? Does anyone else find that as wrong as me? There's a reason I like sports that are based solely on ability, and not appearance. If your mule can out-jump a bunch of TBs, more power to you!
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Post by caddyshack on Oct 26, 2009 2:21:20 GMT -5
I hate to sound like a total b***h and didn’t want to get personal but gla this needs to stop. It seems like every mare that passes through your hands ends up pregnant. If I put two and two together correctly it looks like your pregnant pony cross is getting “the boot” so this Arab stallion could be rescued. The owner said she would put him down if she didn’t have a home for him. That probably would have been the best thing for him rather than let him go hungry and get thin. It’s better to take care of the horses you’ve chosen to create rather than kicking your pregnant mare to the curb and taking on another horse. The fact that the idea of breeding a 16 y/o (not even halter broke) horse is even on the table is heinous. If your horse is only worth $400 it’s probably not the quality that should be REPRODUCED! PLEASE STOP BREEDING, you’re only contributing to the problem. Sorry if it’s inappropriate to vent here but I feel like pulling my hair out watching this go on.
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Post by drsgjunky on Oct 26, 2009 10:24:10 GMT -5
I wish Americans would learn something about Warmblood registry standards and lose the pure-bred mentality that drives a majority of grade bred horses to Canada. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be wired any other way. They won't even make the effort.
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Post by shekaberry on Oct 26, 2009 11:16:43 GMT -5
I agree. It would be nice to see the registry's require some sort of inspection to become registered. There needs to be some effort made on the behalf of the breeder besides sending in a check.
And WLF is right, there is no market for 14hh horses. Most people want bigger horses. How often do you see free 16hh anything on Craigslist? Rarely. The horse pictured previously is cute, sure, but not breeding quality. And no one cares if you have a stallion and don't breed it, that's your perogative; but when/if you sell it the next owner could pump out 50 foals in a year and you could have prevented that.
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Post by cat67 on Oct 26, 2009 11:26:32 GMT -5
I agree. It would be nice to see the registry's require some sort of inspection to become registered. There needs to be some effort made on the behalf of the breeder besides sending in a check. I agree completely. There will never be agreement in a breed like AQHA about how they should go (and there are so many different types) so why not just say it has to w-t-c with a rider? Head up, head down, slow or fast, who cares. But I'm tired of unbroke crap siring foals and the same goes for broodmares. Let's see them ride before agreeing to register their foals. Even verifying they are trail-ride-broke would be a huge step from the complete lack of ANY standard that we currently have.
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Post by trillium on Oct 26, 2009 11:30:28 GMT -5
And no one cares if you have a stallion and don't breed it, that's your perogative; but when/if you sell it the next owner could pump out 50 foals in a year and you could have prevented that. I highly doubt I would ever get rid of either of my stallions, but if that were to ever happen, they would be gelded before leaving my place.
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Post by cat67 on Oct 26, 2009 11:33:13 GMT -5
FYI, small horses are only desirable if they are:
1. quality pony hunters or a pony breed that has a well developed show circuit and demand for that breed - i.e. POA, Icelandic, Fjord, etc.
2. cutting horses that are well bred with major NCHA money winners close up
3. TRAINED polo ponies...which are created mostly from free or cheap failed OTTB's. So you would never breed them. There'd be no sense in that. You can't find hardly anyone breeding for polo because it's so easy to make what you need out of track rejects.
Other than that, no matter how many of us like little horses to ride (I do too), nobody else wants them. I like them too but my show/potential breeding horse is 16.2 because that is what wins and what today's buyers want.
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Post by shekaberry on Oct 26, 2009 11:34:53 GMT -5
I am talking conformation. I have been to a few WB inspections and the horses, mare and foal, are judged on conformation, temperment and movement/athletic abilities; and that's assuming that the mare is already approved and the stallion is ISR.
Any horse can W/T/C, that is hardly special. The horses need to be judged on build, temperment, and quality of movement.
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Post by shekaberry on Oct 26, 2009 11:37:41 GMT -5
"1. quality pony hunters or a pony breed that has a well developed show circuit and demand for that breed - i.e. POA, Icelandic, Fjord, etc."
In all my years competing in hunters, I never saw a POA or Icelandic win anything o/f or on the flat. Everything on pony hunters in Welsh or Welsh/Arab cross ( that looks like a Welsh). For some reason, Arabs are not desirable on the hunter circuit.
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Post by myhorsefaith on Oct 26, 2009 12:17:55 GMT -5
back in my H/J days in NJ, POA's were pretty standard in the show ring for the wee ones. Tb's for the older kids and ammies.
The last shows I went to on the east coast were in the boston area 8 years ago, and there were some there, but you are right, lots of welsh and welshx. And almost every adult had a warmblood of kind, very few tb's to be seen.
I have eventer friends back there that exclusively have tb's, but they mentioned that there are way more wb's now than ever.
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Post by zebradreams07 on Oct 26, 2009 13:50:39 GMT -5
I wish Americans would learn something about Warmblood registry standards and lose the pure-bred mentality that drives a majority of grade bred horses to Canada. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be wired any other way. They won't even make the effort. Unfortunately, that seems to have been the idea behind AWS, and all that does is convince people that said grade horses are worth $10k and they should make more of them. I think the fact that we have classes like Halter and Pleasure that can create a 2 year old world champion are a big part of the blame. European registries actually consider the horse's chances for performance over a lifetime. I am talking conformation. I have been to a few WB inspections and the horses, mare and foal, are judged on conformation, temperment and movement/athletic abilities; and that's assuming that the mare is already approved and the stallion is ISR. Any horse can W/T/C, that is hardly special. The horses need to be judged on build, temperment, and quality of movement. Agreed, but I think Cat's point had more to do with quality of life if the horse is sold, rather than potential for breeding. I.e, no more 14 year old unhandlable stallions, because they couldn't be registered/stand at stud. If they can be handled and ridden they would have a better chance at finding a new home. back in my H/J days in NJ, POA's were pretty standard in the show ring for the wee ones. Tb's for the older kids and ammies. The last shows I went to on the east coast were in the boston area 8 years ago, and there were some there, but you are right, lots of welsh and welshx. And almost every adult had a warmblood of kind, very few tb's to be seen. I have eventer friends back there that exclusively have tb's, but they mentioned that there are way more wb's now than ever. I've never spent a lot of time at H/J shows, but here's what I've seen based on the few I've been to, as well as Pony Club and Craigslist availability. POAs are still around, but most of them seem to be lesson ponies or trail/pleasure ponies. Welshes and Connemaras have a sportier build for competition and (from personal experience) not quite as much of a pony attitude. WBs are definitely spiking - look at eventing, it used to be 100% Thoroughbreds. But in this area at least there's still a lot of TBs - at least 50% in eventing. Using Craigslist it's easy to find them with good flatwork and jumping 3' or so for around $1000-2000, as well as for care lease. As long as we have horses coming off the tracks TBs will have a place in the "sporthorse" type competitions.
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Post by glapaints on Oct 26, 2009 14:11:00 GMT -5
I hate to sound like a total b***h and didn’t want to get personal but gla this needs to stop. It seems like every mare that passes through your hands ends up pregnant. If I put two and two together correctly it looks like your pregnant pony cross is getting “the boot” so this Arab stallion could be rescued. The owner said she would put him down if she didn’t have a home for him. That probably would have been the best thing for him rather than let him go hungry and get thin. It’s better to take care of the horses you’ve chosen to create rather than kicking your pregnant mare to the curb and taking on another horse. The fact that the idea of breeding a 16 y/o (not even halter broke) horse is even on the table is heinous. If your horse is only worth $400 it’s probably not the quality that should be REPRODUCED! PLEASE STOP BREEDING, you’re only contributing to the problem. Sorry if it’s inappropriate to vent here but I feel like pulling my hair out watching this go on. Whoa! Hold on. First off the two mares that are pregnant in my barn as of RIGHT NOW were bought pregnant. Second my I have plans to breed, none are actually bred yet and just because I have plans to breed doesn't mean I'm going to breed every single on that I say oh lets breed to so in so. Third. The STALLION IS NOT MINE! What part of that didn't anyone get before hand? Really? I have been in and around Ron Copple, Randy Dean and a few small breeders like Eternety Arabians and Velvet Rose, Midcrest for years! You don't think I understand there's no market out there for him? I started researching marketing for Arabians when I was 12 years old! People assume that because I'm deciding to leave him as a stallion that I plan to breed him. People assume that because I'm getting a mare that I expect to breed her. For everyone's personal information. All my mares are saddle broke, two are going in the show ring next year and the others are continueing training. My stallion is finishing his training and will be shown next year. And Caddyshack. I hate to sound like a jerk but if you are going to read posts about whats being said and just assume things instead of going to the person and asking what's going on, then really... Because not every mare who has come into my hands has been pregnant or bred. Matter of fact, do you know how many mares have been in my possession this year? No? I didn't think so. For the record, it's been close to twenty five. The pregnant pony was bought pregnant from the auction with the sole intention of being resold. It's what I do. I bought her for no other purpose. I placed her up for sale for a month and she didn't sale because of the foal, understandable. I took her down for another month and then returned her and she sold. I took in the stallion because he needed somewhere to go and I have the experience. He's actually a quite calm, happy stallion who's now safe from being put down. But I took him in to be resold, and thus he has been. How many times do I have to post on here that I'm a horse trader before people will be like oh yeah GLA is a horse trader... Seriously? K... I have a website. On my website the only horses on there that are mine are the palomino, the bay tovero and the perlino stallion.... k... Check it out, you'll notice the rest of them AREN'T MINE! I AM A HORSE TRADER!!!!! I BUY HORSES FROM THE AUCTION WITH THE SOLE INTENT ON RESELLING THEM!!! I.E. Why So Rare, Legends Diamond Lady, Ginger, Coco, Alice, Madam Purple Haze, and Lucky. They were all bought from the enumclaw auction with the intent to be resold and for the record, Ginger and legends diamond lady were sold at the auction in foal to me. Don't believe me. Look up Wendy Delk. They are her horses. K... The only one exposed to my stallion was Why So Rare, because her owner paid for a breeding. So don't say EVERY mare that comes into my hands ends up pregnant. That's freaking rediculous. You don't even know me nor have talked to me to be able to even assume such things. And that list of mares, doesn't even include the consignment ones I've sold out of my barn. So...Are we good now? Does everyone NOW understand that I'm a horse trader? Not a rescue? I posted the stallion up here hoping someone else would take him. When I saw no responses, I called her up and went to get him. I, myself, will not be breeding the Arabian stallion. He is sold to a lady friend of mine in Eastern Washington. She will make whatever decisions she makes. I've expressed my concerns and she's taking them into consideration. I can't force her to do anything.
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Post by shekaberry on Oct 26, 2009 14:50:51 GMT -5
"I, myself, will not be breeding the Arabian stallion. He is sold to a lady friend of mine in Eastern Washington. She will make whatever decisions she makes. I've expressed my concerns and she's taking them into consideration. I can't force her to do anything. "
No, but you could have sold her a nice GELDING. The world does not need more unremarkable arabians. There are plenty on Craigslist or at the auction.
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Post by glapaints on Oct 26, 2009 14:55:39 GMT -5
Give me a moment and I'll continue my post, not so irritatedlike though.
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Post by glapaints on Oct 26, 2009 14:56:32 GMT -5
"I, myself, will not be breeding the Arabian stallion. He is sold to a lady friend of mine in Eastern Washington. She will make whatever decisions she makes. I've expressed my concerns and she's taking them into consideration. I can't force her to do anything. " No, but you could have sold her a nice GELDING. The world does not need more unremarkable arabians. There are plenty on Craigslist or at the auction. I sold him before I went and got him. I told his owner that was the only way I could take him is if he had a home before I picked him up.
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