Buena
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Post by Buena on Oct 21, 2009 1:30:45 GMT -5
He's three? His ad on CL said he was foaled in 1993...
"Exxtra Perception is a registered Arabian Stallion. He was Foaled 3/19/93."
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Post by glapaints on Oct 21, 2009 1:37:43 GMT -5
He's three? His ad on CL said he was foaled in 1993... "Exxtra Perception is a registered Arabian Stallion. He was Foaled 3/19/93." No he's A three, on the weight scale
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Post by Buena on Oct 21, 2009 1:59:07 GMT -5
He's three? His ad on CL said he was foaled in 1993... "Exxtra Perception is a registered Arabian Stallion. He was Foaled 3/19/93." No he's A three, on the weight scale AH! Gotcha!
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Post by trillium on Oct 21, 2009 6:20:19 GMT -5
Amanda, are you going to have him gelded? I'm pushing to have him gelded. I picked him up and I'm training him but his ownership is not mine. It's my friends. She's leaning towards it its just getting her to do it. Plus, he's a 3 right now and I already called vets and they say not until he puts on some weight. How about a picture of the guy?
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Post by inmemoryofjack on Oct 21, 2009 12:06:25 GMT -5
Sometimes I ponder the idea of starting a blog. All it needs is a name. Maybe this one is available
www a-back-yard-breeder-right-in-your-own-back-yard com
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Post by cat67 on Oct 21, 2009 12:25:23 GMT -5
Amanda, are you going to have him gelded? I'm pushing to have him gelded. I picked him up and I'm training him but his ownership is not mine. It's my friends. She's leaning towards it its just getting her to do it. Plus, he's a 3 right now and I already called vets and they say not until he puts on some weight. My vet did say the same with my rescued stallion last year - she wanted a few weeks of good feeding first. If your friend balks at gelding him, you can take her down to Enumclaw for the next sale in the meantime and show her what's in the kill pen. We pulled a daughter of a NATIONAL CHAMPION Arabian stallion out this last time...imagine what happens to the daughters of done-nothing Arabian stallions.
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Post by shekaberry on Oct 21, 2009 12:35:39 GMT -5
See, this just proves that bloodlines will not save the horse. That is one reason why I so totally agree with SAFE's no breeding policy. Look at the Ellege horses: Chairman of the Board, Kabuki, Amber and Jasmine supposedly being so valuable; and they still nearly starved to death. There is just no reason to create more when you can buy them from a kill buyer for a song.
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Post by glapaints on Oct 21, 2009 13:08:37 GMT -5
Her reason for not gelding him has nothing to do with bloodlines and if she did keep him a stallion, she probably wouldn't breed him much anyway. I've known the woman who's getting him since I was in the 4th grade. She trusts my opinion. I have a friend who is in the Arabian industry coming out today for her to look at him. It's her horse and the decision she makes with him is her own. Either way, he's still going through training.
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Post by glapaints on Oct 21, 2009 13:13:20 GMT -5
I'm pushing to have him gelded. I picked him up and I'm training him but his ownership is not mine. It's my friends. She's leaning towards it its just getting her to do it. Plus, he's a 3 right now and I already called vets and they say not until he puts on some weight. My vet did say the same with my rescued stallion last year - she wanted a few weeks of good feeding first. If your friend balks at gelding him, you can take her down to Enumclaw for the next sale in the meantime and show her what's in the kill pen. We pulled a daughter of a NATIONAL CHAMPION Arabian stallion out this last time...imagine what happens to the daughters of done-nothing Arabian stallions. Yes Cat I know you did because that horse used to belong to me. I follow the auction threads on here. Matter of fact it's the first thing I check when I come on here. But I'm not going to get into why she went to auction or why horses do go to auction here. Even if "cash" stays a stallion, that doesn't mean he will breed. I know plenty of people who have stallions they don't breed but are happy. But, i'm not awake to defend people and I need to get up there to the barn and take photos.
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Post by schwung on Oct 21, 2009 13:14:20 GMT -5
Great, so he is going to be bred despite his lack of any type of performance career. I really don't understand how people can read this board and still not get the problem with that.
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Post by glapaints on Oct 21, 2009 13:16:44 GMT -5
Great, so he is going to be bred despite his lack of any type of performance career. I really don't understand how people can read this board and still not get the problem with that. *head desk* Seriously people! Okay well anyway. He's at my barn. He's safe and he's not going to be put to sleep. He now has lots of hay and he will go through training. *thumbs up* Will he be gelded? Dunno. Check back in spring and I'll tell ya.
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Post by cat67 on Oct 21, 2009 13:21:44 GMT -5
See, this just proves that bloodlines will not save the horse. That is one reason why I so totally agree with SAFE's no breeding policy. Look at the Ellege horses: Chairman of the Board, Kabuki, Amber and Jasmine supposedly being so valuable; and they still nearly starved to death. There is just no reason to create more when you can buy them from a kill buyer for a song. Well, it should be noted that the National Champion that sired that mare has been WAY overbred and has HUNDREDS of foals of various levels of quality. As a stallion owner, it is your responsibility to limit breedings and to be picky about mares. That clearly did not happen. They took the money and ran. When you have 300 foals, it's inevitable that some will wind up in bad places. As to the Elledge horses, a bad owner can happen to any horse but it is more common with low-end inexpensive horses because they are easier to acquire. Jean clearly had money at one time in order to have obtained some of those horses, and it is sad that she did not see her situation deteriorating and start rehoming them earlier. I still think people need to continue breeding high end horses because that market still exists (after all, many here on the board, despite our commitment to rescue, do own a more valuable competition horse that we did not rescue) but they have to be far more selective than they used to in order to keep the value up. They have to use stallions and ideally mares with significant show records. And of course they have to keep the young stock in excellent condition and trained appropriate to their age. It is a big undertaking. I wish people saw it as the huge responsibility that it is.
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Post by cat67 on Oct 21, 2009 13:27:31 GMT -5
Well, I have a stallion who's not breeding but he is in full time professional training with the goal of getting a competition record on him so that he can be used as a breeding stallion. If that is not the plan with a horse, there is absolutely no point to not gelding immediately.
It simply does not help your credibility that you personally stand a stallion who does not have a competition record. That's why you're getting snarked here. Stop breeding him, focus on his training and put an APHA show record on him and nobody will fault you.
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Post by schwung on Oct 21, 2009 13:34:11 GMT -5
I'm glad he's not going to be put to sleep, unless that means that he is going to be responsible for creating more horses that will then end up neglected, at a low-end auction and then ultimately on someone's dinner table in Europe.
I don't think ANY stallion should remain a stallion and certainly not used for breeding unless he has ALL of the following: - Exceptional conformation according to his breedtype - Exceptional movement for his breedtype - Exceptional temperment - Exceptional pedigree - Exceptional and proven show history
And, last, but NOT least, the stallion is owned by someone who has the financial backing and resources to seriously campaign and market the stallion, which to be done right is very expensive in and of itself. If the stallion himself is not worth 5-6 figures and people are not willing to pay $1000 or more for a stud fee then again, he's not stallion quality. And those stallions should ONLY be bred to approved mares which can produce registerable offspring and not be creating ANY grade stock.
And lastly, if the stallion is not potent in passing on his redeeming qualities then again, he's not stallion quality.
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Post by shekaberry on Oct 21, 2009 14:22:55 GMT -5
"...a bad owner can happen to any horse..."
Which is why stallions shouldn't be sold unless they are truly breeding quality and sold for breeding purposes with all the qualifications to back him up. You may have no intention of breeding him, and he may have a stellar personality as a stud, but the next owner may think it would be sooo kyoooooot to have a baby and would breed him. Cut the risk and geld.
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