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Post by Angel62197 on Mar 29, 2008 22:20:48 GMT -5
How pretty is she?! Just goes to show, to everyone who breeds JUST for color, even color can't save a horse sometimes.... I'm so glad she's getting better.
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Post by monicabee on Apr 5, 2008 9:22:31 GMT -5
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Post by dbaldstockings on Apr 10, 2008 20:37:46 GMT -5
Someone may want to check out the possibility that this filly is a daughter of Hope by Seas the Golden Day. Many people breed 3 yr olds to foal at 4 (last year for Hope). Buckskin+pinto is a very likely color outcome for this cross.
Just a thought.
While I have been told there were several stalllions, I am not clear whether horses were segregated by breed and location? Meaning the Saddlebreds came from one farm and the Arabians another?
Also not clear on the colors, ages and sexes of the deceased horses. I realize this may seem morbid, reply privately as needed.
You are doing a lovely job with her.
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Post by schwung on Apr 10, 2008 21:02:41 GMT -5
A few things I do know. Hope was in the same field as Emma but did not seem attached to her. Emma was standing over the body of one of the dead mares and did not want to leave her (very sad). I know that one of the mares on the Carnation property was a pinto, but not sure if it was the one Emma was standing over.
All the stallions were at the Monroe property - the two that died (Seas the Golden Day and another) and the 3 that survived (of which, I believe two are Arabians, a bay and a black. The other I am not sure about - I think he might be an Appaloosa and possibly the sire of Holly). The dead horses at the Carnation property were all mares - I believe two chestnuts or bays, a pinto, and one that was too decomposed to tell. I think they were older horses - by older I mean older than the ones we had - more like teens. Seems the older horses went first.
The Monroe property consisted of mostly Arabians, Saddlebreds, and NSHs. Two of the horses that died were owned by boarders - not Jean's. Another boarded horse was removed by the owner just before the seizure, but had to be euthanized shortly after. The two stallions were reported to have died the month prior to the seizure, so of the five horses found on the day of the seizure, two were boarder's and three were Jean's - I believe all mares. I don't know anything more about the dead horses as far as ages, sexes, breeds, etc.
I assume this will all be part of the prosecutor's case in both counties and will be revealed at the trial.
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Post by dbaldstockings on Apr 14, 2008 18:49:13 GMT -5
There were 2 pinto mares owned, so one of them is certainly the dam of Emma, since at least one tobiano pinto parent is needed to have tobiano pinto offspring. 120087 SHELL GAME 04/03/1991 BAY,WHITE -acquired in 2004 from the then owner of Kabuki. sire Skywatch, dam My Fantasia Link to 5-Gaited World Grand Champion Skywatch article: mitchellclarkstables.agriequine.com/default.asp?page=article&item=SkyWatchMy Fantasia is also dam of the well respected pinto stallion Monaco. www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbEjH-BxsN8www.royalefarms.com/monaco.htmlShell Game was never bloodtyped and has no Saddlebred foals registered. 129482 SULTAN'S SUNDAZZLED 05/08/1995 BLACK,WHITE -acquired 2004 from the then owner of Kabuki. Bloodtyped in 2005. By Sultan's Sunspots, a Supreme Sultan son who was Chestnut Pinto, out of a Classy's Masterpiece mare, out of a daughter of Stonehedge Blazing Wing (Wing Commander son), out of a daughter of Lucky Cuss (also a Wing Commander son). Sultan's Sunspots had some very popular offspring on the pinto circuit. Sultan's Sundazzled has no registered Saddlebred offspring (but as Ms. Elledge had her bloodtyped, it can be assumed that she intended to register) Either mare could be the dam of Emma; I would assume both may have perished. As none of the mares was dilute (also a dominant gene with different effect if homozygous or heterozygous), I assume her sire had to be the Deceased Seas The Golden Day. The non-pinto mares that possibly died were a bay foaled 1984 -acquired on 1996 and dam of Gypsy Seashell foaled 2004 (Willow); and 2 chestnuts both foaled 1987, one acquired 1999, one in 2003. But which 2 of the 3? If it was possible to discern markings, I can confirm the Chestnut ID. These mares had some highly desirable bloodlines and left offspring in the Saddlebred breed. They are likely the dams of the surviving youngsters.
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Post by mswan on Apr 18, 2008 19:23:44 GMT -5
So, my Emma is a fancy bred rescued horse. If a horses' worth is in their papers, that makes it even sadder that they were negliced so bad. We will see what comes of finding out the papers. In the mean time, Emma is doing great. Daphine came out today and trimmed the feet on both girls. Emma was a star. It took her a minute or two before she warmed up to the idea of giving up her feet but cookies made everything better. Her feet look great!
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Post by cardicorgi on Apr 18, 2008 22:03:37 GMT -5
Thanks for taking such good care of her.
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Post by asb2 on Apr 21, 2008 1:22:23 GMT -5
How does one post pics to a message?
I am looking for a filly much like this one but with a black not white tail. Thank you
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Post by asb2 on Apr 21, 2008 2:56:52 GMT -5
Ok everyone... part of my search is solved! I have spent hours and hours trying to research this filly. She is one of several I looked at late last summer.
This filly is " Song of the Sea" I do not know for sure if she was registered or pending. There is another filly Dazzling Treasure she was also a buckskin but had a black tail. I am looking for info on them both and the bay pinto dam of Song.
I do have pics but still not figuring out the uploading of the pic part of this board. Sorry
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Post by Whitewolf821 on Apr 21, 2008 3:05:17 GMT -5
asb2,
You have a PM. You can email them to me and I will post them for you. My email addy is in the PM. Look at the very top of the page and it will give you a link to check your messages when you're logged in
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Post by schwung on Apr 21, 2008 13:04:54 GMT -5
Here is the picture sent to me by asb2 of Emma and Holly, taken I believe last summer:
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Post by schwung on Apr 21, 2008 13:12:10 GMT -5
According to asb2, this is Shell Game, Emma's dam: Unfortunately, there were no bay pintos among the seized horses in either location, so it looks like this mare did not make it.
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Post by shekaberry on Apr 21, 2008 13:43:06 GMT -5
What a beauty she was. Although, she seems pretty thick in the body; could be the photo, but I always thought Saddlebreds were very lean.
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Post by asb2 on Apr 21, 2008 15:24:06 GMT -5
What a beauty she was. Although, she seems pretty thick in the body; could be the photo, but I always thought Saddlebreds were very lean. Saddlebred are a breed of a variety of type. Some like my stallion I recently sold have a very refined look (in his case maybe due to the heavy degree of TB in his roots). Others look more like stock horses and can be mistaken for other breeds. Of course there are those of all the other degrees of type in between. There are specific type standards that are the desired result but when breeding ASB like all things the standard sometimes comes as a result of crosses one would not expect to produce the desired end result...ITS IN THE GENES. Also remember...what you see as a youngster is not always the end mature result.
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Post by asb2 on Apr 21, 2008 15:30:05 GMT -5
What a beauty she was. Although, she seems pretty thick in the body; could be the photo, but I always thought Saddlebreds were very lean. Saddlebred are a breed of a variety of type. Some like my stallion I recently sold have a very refined look (in his case maybe due to the heavy degree of TB in his roots). Others look more like stock horses and can be mistaken for other breeds. Of course there are those of all the other degrees of type in between. There are specific type standards that are the desired result but when breeding ASB like all things the standard sometimes comes as a result of crosses one would not expect to produce the desired end result...ITS IN THE GENES. Also remember...what you see as a youngster is not always the end mature result. PS...Take a look at the most noted sire of the pinto asb industry...Chubasco of Scripps in Ca. If you watch the Pasadena Rose Parade you will see his sons, daughters and grand get. Also the Creation lines to name only two.
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