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Post by fanaberia on Apr 24, 2009 20:23:02 GMT -5
Her canter is going to need some work, she kind of tends to crow-hop with her hind feet and canter in front, but hopefully that will improve with fitness. Khramer has a problem with trying to figure out how his legs work too. I think these poor horses are so unfamiliar with how there bodies work due to the drastic change of not being either starving or pregnant. He's going well, but he really struggles to stay balanced; especially at the canter. I'm sure both of them will figure it out quickly:-)
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Post by schwung on May 16, 2009 11:29:48 GMT -5
Jasmine is coming home today along with Hope. Jasmine, for the most part, is broke and walk/trot/canters under saddle. She also cross-ties, is good with her feet, bathes, even clips (finally, that one took a while). However, she is unpredictable at times. She has on more than one occasion started bucking out of nowhere. She threw Andrea a couple of weeks ago pretty badly into a wall. So while she is good 90% of the time, Andrea feels that it would take probably another year of consistent work to completely get rid of that behavior, as it seems to come out of an evasion to work rather than being spooked or green horse antics. Therefore if someone wants to ride her, they need to be an experienced rider and be prepared to work her through her bucking issues (she is a very GOOD bucker too). She might do better if someone took her out on the trails and gave her something interesting to do. Otherwise, she will need to be a companion horse. On a positive note, she is an easy keeper, she is fine in a stall or living outside, she is neat and tidy in a stall, and she is not herdbound, she is good with her feet, ties, and trailers well. She is not always easy to catch if living in a herd situation (sometimes she is, sometimes she isn't), and while she has made a lot of progress in terms of being more friendly and social with people, she is still somewhat tuned out at times. She might do well being an only horse where she has to rely more on people for comfort and security.
We are setting Jasmine's adoption fee at $600 as a riding horse, or the adoption fee will be waived for someone who wants her only as a companion horse.
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Post by trillium on May 16, 2009 18:33:42 GMT -5
I was hoping to see Jasmine when I was at Jamies last weekend but I missed her. I wanted to see if she was anything like my horse Elle, who is related to Jasmine. Elle is my most highstrung arabian horse. She has never been a bucker, but once when we were trail riding I had to return to camp because I could not get her to stop doing her "parade walk". I think it is called jigging. You know the high stepping walk that is a total waste of energy when you are supposed to be saving your energy while on a trail. Silly horse.
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Post by schwung on May 17, 2009 0:45:16 GMT -5
Our original plan was to get some video of Jasmine today under saddle before I took her home. Unfortunately, Jasmine decided to dump Andrea yesterday for the second time so it didn't happen.
Bonnie and I decided that we need to teach Jasmine to do cool tricks - Spanish Walk, to bow, to count....to make herself more marketable as a companion horse. What do you think?
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Post by trillium on May 17, 2009 8:52:39 GMT -5
Well darn her anyway. Is she being ridden in an english or western saddle when she is bucking? Only wondering because if she was in a westen one, it might be easier to ride her through her bucking. I think she is smart enough to know how to unseat her rider and knows she won the battle.
Are there any cowgirls out there who want to try riding her out? LOL. She is so young to be just a companion horse. Look how well Whiskey turned out. I know there is potential in Jasmine too.
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Post by schwung on May 17, 2009 9:50:25 GMT -5
She's being ridden in a dressage saddle. She will buck and buck until she unloads you, and she's a very talented bucker. In every case where she has bucked her rider off, they have gotten back on her and made her keep working. I wonder if maybe doing trails might keep her interested enough to keep her from bucking but at this point, we can't invest anymore in her.
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Post by Buena on May 18, 2009 17:11:29 GMT -5
Any thought to having Duane Hebert take a look at Jasmine for an evaluation?
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Post by mymercedes on May 18, 2009 18:52:40 GMT -5
Great idea!
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Post by shekaberry on May 18, 2009 20:26:27 GMT -5
I wonder what he charges for training? I looked on his site but I didn't see anything. I would be interested to see if he could work through her issues. I spent some time with her while Hope was being ridden for the video, and she carries a bit of sadness in her eyes. Makes me feel oddly protective of her.
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Post by kdunham on May 18, 2009 21:17:57 GMT -5
I believe he charges around $800-$850. Of course, everyone knows I think hes the best. Honestly I think he should start all these horses. Horses he starts don't ever learn to buck therefore there is never any need to go spend a lot more time and money retraining them. He gets done in 30-60 days what it takes other trainers a year to do (if they can ever do it at all).
Only problem I see here is now the horse has a history of bucking. Even when Duane fixes her I think it would still be hard to place a horse with that history. Hence the importance of nipping it in the butt before it becomes a problem.
I'd throw $100 in the pot for her to go to Duane's. After he had her 30 days she could easily transition to a trail foster home that could put more time on her.
I personally wouldn't ever be willing to get on a horse on a trail of all places that I wasn't darn sure wasn't going to buck. It makes no sense to me to take a horse that is unpredictable in an arena to trails which are 100 times as dangerous and away from people in case something does happen. I am a trail rider but make no mistake, I started all my horses and got them SOLID in the arena before I went out in the real world.
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Post by schwung on May 18, 2009 22:57:08 GMT -5
My thinking was that if Jasmine got into a more interesting environment instead of arena work that she might think a little less about dumping her rider.
I also am pretty happy with the training job that Andrea has done with our horses. Not that I don't think that Duane is good, but we have a pretty high success rate with Andrea and Jasmine was a huge gamble even going into this with her.
Tonight it took me an hour to catch Jasmine in the rain. This was after I brought in all the other horses and she was out there alone. She wouldn't even look at me, her body language is so tuned out. I think we've probably done what we could for Jasmine as far as financial investment in training.
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Post by trillium on May 18, 2009 23:25:12 GMT -5
Now that Whiskey has been adopted, could you direct my monthly PayPal donation toward Jasmine. I feel bad for her, she has not learned that she can recieve love from people. It may take more time, but I am hopeful she will come around.
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Post by coconut on May 19, 2009 0:59:08 GMT -5
In my fantasy farm, Jasmine would get to come live with me and just enjoy being a horse...hopefully with manners though *Sigh* ...and Kokomo would have gotten to come live with me and I'd get to keep Basil too...as long as I'm dreaming about fantasy farm.
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Post by leahlady on May 19, 2009 2:42:00 GMT -5
Who knows what happened to Jasmine before she was rescued - my feeling is that the bucking is not an issue with the training she has received, but rather a deeper psychological issue stemming from her mistrust of humans. She really looks cute under saddle, who knows, perhaps she will find a perfect adopter that is experienced in dealing with bucking bay arabian mares
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Post by fanaberia on May 19, 2009 11:20:16 GMT -5
Maybe at some point she could try a career in driving. She'd look cute with a cart, and it's a nice solution for a lot of horses that have ingrained issues. Bucking generally isn't a huge deal, but with horses that will work on getting you off until you hit the ground it's a VERY big deal.
However, being a long distance rider and putting in over 500 miles on trails every year, I COMPLETELY agree that the trail is FAR more dangerous then the arena and the risk of hoping the horse will be focused on other things is not a wise one to take. I too make sure my horses are solid before I venture out. Adding her catching issue to the bucking issue would make me really worry since if she did dump her rider.... what if she also didn't want to get caught?
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