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Post by cricket on Jul 21, 2009 16:39:02 GMT -5
P.S. I am also halfway there with getting her registered. I just need Dynasty Arabians to sign as the breeder (which they will). Soon she'll be a registered Arabian! Hi Megan, how did you end up getting around J.M. Elledge's signature? Unfortunately, Elledge was the owner of the sire, dam, and the breeder of Ariel. Could you either let us all know here or PM me how you ended up working it out? Thanks! P.S. Sasha looks great!
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Post by schwung on Jul 21, 2009 18:27:07 GMT -5
It has come to my attention that Jean Elledge has contacted at least the ASHA directing them to NOT allow ownership transfers on their horses. I am therefore working to try and get at least the previously registered horses transferred over into SAFE's name. They were not aware of the fact that she was in jail so provided I get them the paperwork they want, they are willing to help me. It is possible I could do something similar with regards to Amber, and then if Fanaberia is successful getting Khramer in her name, then Jean would no longer own the sire and dam and perhaps we could convince the registry that she has lost her "breeder" rights and those should be turned over to SAFE as the legal owner of the dam at the time of birth? I don't know...I haven't tried dealing with the AHA yet, but the ASHA has been (mostly) helpful and I think we can at least get Willow, Annie, Hope and Summer signed over to us.
(and yes, I am more than a little worried about what Ms Elledge's intentions were by contacting the ASHA to tell them not to transfer ownership on "her" horses)
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Post by coconut on Jul 21, 2009 19:09:37 GMT -5
I'll let Megan tell the details but I'm pretty sure she was able to get the court to force Jean Elledge to sign the needed documents. I'm going to guess (and HOPE) that when Sasha's paper's go through that it will establish a precedence and pave the way for the rest of the Arabians...and perhaps influence the ASHA and NSH registry as well.
It's worth a shot and a HUGE round of gratitude to Megan for her efforts. Her checkbook and sheer will must certainly show the scars of her determination.
GOOD for her! GOOD For the Elledege Herd Arabians and hopefully GOOD for all the horses that might be able to be registered at some point in the future because of what Megan and SAFE have been able to do for them.
As for Kramer, I'm sure he's been transferred and is currently registered AHA!
I know none of us take on these rescues BECAUSE they are purebred or well bred anythings...we do it because they need our help. But I believe it broadens their horizon's to be able to compete in breed shows, even though they will never be bred (or again). It just gives one more options of what people can accomplish with their horses and gives the horses more jobs. Both things improve their futures greatly!
ps: I think I need to come up with a better name than the "Elledge Herd" ...I don't like referring to them as the Monroe/Carnation horses either because it just puts a bad name on the cities although WE all know what it means. I just don't like giving Jean credit for the herd.
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Post by fanaberia on Jul 21, 2009 19:19:54 GMT -5
It has come to my attention that Jean Elledge has contacted at least the ASHA directing them to NOT allow ownership transfers on their horses. I am therefore working to try and get at least the previously registered horses transferred over into SAFE's name. They were not aware of the fact that she was in jail so provided I get them the paperwork they want, they are willing to help me. It is possible I could do something similar with regards to Amber, and then if Fanaberia is successful getting Khramer in her name, then Jean would no longer own the sire and dam and perhaps we could convince the registry that she has lost her "breeder" rights and those should be turned over to SAFE as the legal owner of the dam at the time of birth? I don't know...I haven't tried dealing with the AHA yet, but the ASHA has been (mostly) helpful and I think we can at least get Willow, Annie, Hope and Summer signed over to us. (and yes, I am more than a little worried about what Ms Elledge's intentions were by contacting the ASHA to tell them not to transfer ownership on "her" horses) Khramer was transferred to me last fall. I have the papers in hand, with full ownership rights. Even though mine was much, much easier than Megan's, it was still a battle. As mentioned before, since I have experience doing the registered horses, I am more than happy to help SAFE transfer ANY remaining registered Arabs to their name. As a matter of fact, I believe some of the fees are waived since you are a rescue. I talked with AHA extensively about this. Major hats off to you Megan!
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Post by fanaberia on Jul 21, 2009 19:30:30 GMT -5
It is possible I could do something similar with regards to Amber, and then if Fanaberia is successful getting Khramer in her name, then Jean would no longer own the sire and dam and perhaps we could convince the registry that she has lost her "breeder" rights and those should be turned over to SAFE as the legal owner of the dam at the time of birth? Very unlikely that this would work though. It says specifically at the time of breeding. If you are talking about getting Ariel transferred like this anyway.
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Post by coconut on Jul 21, 2009 19:41:22 GMT -5
(and yes, I am more than a little worried about what Ms Elledge's intentions were by contacting the ASHA to tell them not to transfer ownership on "her" horses) Is this something we should be reporting to Animal Control and the DA of the two counties? I would think this could be important if/when she comes up for parole. We'd all like to see her serve her full time but I wonder if she could get out early for whatever reason!?!? I'd think information like this would be important info. I think it's foolish to believe that there's no possibility that she intends to fight for "Her" horses once this is over...or at least prevent anyone from taking "ownership" away from her to spite those who she perceives has. I think it's a huge signal that her intentions are to pursue horses when she's out. She's going to need a very big babysitter it appears!
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Post by schwung on Jul 21, 2009 21:01:09 GMT -5
The county has been notified, yes.
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Post by cricket on Jul 22, 2009 14:15:18 GMT -5
It is possible I could do something similar with regards to Amber, and then if Fanaberia is successful getting Khramer in her name, then Jean would no longer own the sire and dam and perhaps we could convince the registry that she has lost her "breeder" rights and those should be turned over to SAFE as the legal owner of the dam at the time of birth? Very unlikely that this would work though. It says specifically at the time of breeding. If you are talking about getting Ariel transferred like this anyway. This won't work with Ariel. The AHA was very clear that the signatures must be at the time of breeding, NOT at birth. If the courts forced Elledge to sign, that is what I need done also. I agree that it would be in Ariel's best interest to be registered, should anything ever happen to me. I would also like to have the option to participate in breed shows, etc. When I talked to the AHA, there was absolutely no way to get around getting the proper signatures from the owners and breeder. But, if Megan was able to somehow legally force Jean to sign, or get a judge to grant POA to someone else, that should work for me, too. I would be very grateful to any help any of you can give me.
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Post by cricket on Jul 22, 2009 14:15:34 GMT -5
It is possible I could do something similar with regards to Amber, and then if Fanaberia is successful getting Khramer in her name, then Jean would no longer own the sire and dam and perhaps we could convince the registry that she has lost her "breeder" rights and those should be turned over to SAFE as the legal owner of the dam at the time of birth? Very unlikely that this would work though. It says specifically at the time of breeding. If you are talking about getting Ariel transferred like this anyway. This won't work with Ariel. The AHA was very clear that the signatures must be at the time of breeding, NOT at birth. If the courts forced Elledge to sign, that is what I need done also. I agree that it would be in Ariel's best interest to be registered, should anything ever happen to me. I would also like to have the option to participate in breed shows, etc. When I talked to the AHA, there was absolutely no way to get around getting the proper signatures from the owners and breeder. But, if Megan was able to somehow legally force Jean to sign, or get a judge to grant POA to someone else, that should work for me, too. I would be very grateful to any help any of you can give me.
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Post by cricket on Jul 22, 2009 14:16:50 GMT -5
Also, would the AHA ban Elledge from membership if they knew about the abuse and had legal documentation? I don't know how that works...
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Post by meganmarch on Aug 6, 2009 23:05:37 GMT -5
Wow, just catching up. It makes sense now why she refused to sign the papers and I had to take legal action--she appears to think they are still her horses! Makes me ill thinking about it.
To answer everyone's questions, yes, I was able to get the signature I needed with help from a great lawyer. It was a bit costly, but it was worth it because I do want to participate in the breed shows.
I'm in the home stretch with respect to registration. I sent in Sasha's hair for the DNA test last week and have a tentative registry number (yay!). They're just confirming her sire & dam are in fact Shoshana Shari & Snowlion RSI.
I'll update when I have the papers in hand!
Sasha is doing very well with her training. My trainer has been able to ride her in the outdoor arena (much more open and more to be distracted by). She did a complete loop of the arena at the trot and a few circles at the trot as well. I've ridden her a few times, too. She pretty responsive and seems to really just want a job. She's very smooth, so it will be fun to get her under western. I had bought a nice little Wintec western saddle, but it pinched her withers and I'm sending it back.
I'll take some pictures of her and will try to get some video of me riding her to post.
M
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Post by meganmarch on Aug 6, 2009 23:10:42 GMT -5
You know, I was just thinking about this and am a little worried she might try to hunt the horses down and take them. I really don't know where her head is at or where it will be at when she gets out of jail and I hope she wouldn't try to steal the horses back. It might be nice to know when she's released so we can at least be aware and let our barn owners know just in case. I'm lucky to be in a great place with security (cameras) and the barn manager/my trainer is down there all the time. It's a good thing she's also micro-chipped. I recently updated that information and if she was ever stolen or lost, I could let the microchip company know as they appear to help track down stolen or lost horses.
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Post by cricket on Aug 7, 2009 15:34:21 GMT -5
You know, I was just thinking about this and am a little worried she might try to hunt the horses down and take them. I really don't know where her head is at or where it will be at when she gets out of jail and I hope she wouldn't try to steal the horses back. It might be nice to know when she's released so we can at least be aware and let our barn owners know just in case. I'm lucky to be in a great place with security (cameras) and the barn manager/my trainer is down there all the time. It's a good thing she's also micro-chipped. I recently updated that information and if she was ever stolen or lost, I could let the microchip company know as they appear to help track down stolen or lost horses. The same thought crossed my mind when I heard she had contacted the ASHA. I was thinking about sending her the AHA paperwork just to see if she'd sign it, since she ended up having to sign yours, but I don't want her to know where I am. Does the AHA give the addresses of the registered horses' owners?
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Post by fanaberia on Aug 7, 2009 23:39:21 GMT -5
Does the AHA give the addresses of the registered horses' owners? Yes, it's all accessible for a very low fee on datasource. There's other ways to get it too. I don't think we have too much to worry about. I'd l-o-v-e to see Elledge try to get my boy out of my hands. She'd run back to jail just to get away from me:-)
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Post by meganmarch on Aug 15, 2009 21:39:18 GMT -5
Good Evening- Here's some new video of Sasha. I got her papers in the mail last week--she is officially "Sashana Bint Snowlion," last daughter of Snowlion RSI (see www.ak-stalliondirectory.com/a-listingsS/Snowlion_RSI.html for pics of him--handsome devil, isn't he?). I am riding Sasha three days a week (one is a lesson with my trainer) and my trainer riders her the other four while I lunge her. Here is my first weekend ride by myself on 8/9/09: Here's my lesson on 8/10/09: And here I am today: Enjoy! M
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