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Post by schwung on Oct 30, 2009 1:07:27 GMT -5
Barbara, you have my go-ahead to pursue getting papers for Amber and Jasmine. Let me know if you need anything else. We don't have an attorney, and can't afford to hire one.
I think we all do a pretty good job of posting a lot of volunteer opportunities here and ways that people can get involved and help - both here in Monroe, doing site checks, reference checks, helping with fundraisers, etc. This just hasn't been at the top of the priority list with everything else going on.
Can we please turn this thread back to the AHA discussion and if you would like to discuss your concerns about how SAFE is managed feel free to PM me or any of the other board members.
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Post by fanaberia on Oct 30, 2009 1:22:53 GMT -5
Being involved with AHA includes having AHA-papered horses that AHA is aware of. It's really not fetch from this discussion.
I also don't believe that obtaining papers/documents pertains to SAFE being managed. But if it is, please check your box. I sent you a PM.
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Post by schwung on Oct 30, 2009 1:38:17 GMT -5
It is our management policy not to pursue obtaining papers on horses in our care if they do not come with them. We will however, assist adopters in obtaining papers in any way we can by providing information and paperwork. Therefore, your issue with the fact that we have not chosen to do so is in fact an issue with one facet of how SAFE is managed. Another seems to be how we solicit and engage volunteer help. In any case, I replied to your PM, and thanks for rescinding your offer to help.
ETA: Also, I still don't think I/SAFE is eligible for the petition as we are not AHA members, regardless of the fact that we hold papers on an AHA registered horse. At least that's my understanding of the requirements.
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Post by countrygirl on Oct 30, 2009 1:44:56 GMT -5
I and somebody that I used to be in contact with, whom I am sure I can regain contact with, where[maybe still are] very involved with the AHA. I may be able to help in some way with this problem... If we can identify the horses bloodlines in any way then we might be able to get them papered. I am having the same problem with the AQHA, because I was not given the papers for my mare and we dont know her bloodlines but I want her regestered. So if theres anything I can do to help, please, dont hesitate to let me know!
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Post by schwung on Oct 30, 2009 1:49:14 GMT -5
Hi countrygirl - thanks for the offer! In this situation, we know the mares' identities and pedigrees and they are already registered, we just need the AHA to be willing to transfer ownership over to us.
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Post by countrygirl on Oct 30, 2009 1:54:17 GMT -5
Ohh okay, I misinterpreted that. Don't you just have to pay a fee or something to get ownership transfered? Or do you have to show like a proof of purchase?
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Post by trillium on Oct 30, 2009 6:37:27 GMT -5
Jamie, I as sure you could sign the petition. Just include in the comments you are a rescue holding several Arabian and Half-Arabian horses.
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Post by shekaberry on Oct 30, 2009 11:37:17 GMT -5
If registering/transferring ownership was able to be done at no cost for rescues, it would be nice to have papers for the horses that are eligible. If it were to cost money it wouldn't really be a wise use of SAFE's rather modest funds.
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Post by fanaberia on Oct 30, 2009 11:54:45 GMT -5
Usually, there is a fee. When I spoke with AHA, they said that they would be willing to waive both the transfer fee and the lost paper fee for a rescue.
To do the papers for Jasmine and Amber, all that is needed is a proof of 501(c)(e)(3) status, current pictures representing markings, a copy of the documents from the county saying that SAFE has legal possession, and a letter of opinion from an attorney (they have a format for this, it just needs a signature of an attorney. I used a bankruptcy attorney who is a friend of mine and that was good enough for them.)
Getting papers for horses like Dory and Ariel is much harder since they weren't papered in the first place. MEgan, Sasha's owner, managed to do it. But she worked very hard, and it was almost a miracle that she pushed it through. In that circumstance, it's way beyond the scope of easy. The non registered horses would cost money as well, since you would need direct attorney involvement. I imagine it was the same with Duchess and Emma. Really, too much for any rescue in this case.
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Post by cricket on Oct 30, 2009 12:34:44 GMT -5
Really? All the help I have seen offered is pointing to a phone number and who to talk to. I spent a significant amount of time with the AHSA and haven't gotten anywhere, they are requiring court records and other documentation and Dutchess and Emma's adopters are working on it for us. Based on other's experiences with the AHA, it has NOT been easy. Frankly, its not high on the priority list with 17 horses here to care for, a full-time job and a teenager to deal with. We are in the business of rescue and rehabilitation, and as I have said, we will help where we can with the papers if someone wants them, but its not going to be our priority. I'm more than happy to have a volunteer try and track it down for us and if you can make the papers transfer, great! I have to agree with Jaime. It's NOT easy dealing with the AHA. I've talked to them regarding Ariel. It's extremely time consuming and (at least for me) would involve hiring an attorney to get Ariel registered. I thought about offering to help with Amber's registration, but after my experience with the AHA talking about Ariel, I just don't have the time to do it either. I also don't have the knowledge that someone who has dealt with them in the past has. I think if the AHA does offer to waive fees for nonprofit rescues and someone with that experience (like Barbara) would be willing to put in the time, that would be worth it. But I agree that SAFE should not be expected to spend precious funds on registration.
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Post by fanaberia on Oct 30, 2009 12:41:58 GMT -5
Really? All the help I have seen offered is pointing to a phone number and who to talk to. I spent a significant amount of time with the AHSA and haven't gotten anywhere, they are requiring court records and other documentation and Dutchess and Emma's adopters are working on it for us. Based on other's experiences with the AHA, it has NOT been easy. Frankly, its not high on the priority list with 17 horses here to care for, a full-time job and a teenager to deal with. We are in the business of rescue and rehabilitation, and as I have said, we will help where we can with the papers if someone wants them, but its not going to be our priority. I'm more than happy to have a volunteer try and track it down for us and if you can make the papers transfer, great! I have to agree with Jaime. It's NOT easy dealing with the AHA. I've talked to them regarding Ariel. It's extremely time consuming and (at least for me) would involve hiring an attorney to get Ariel registered. I thought about offering to help with Amber's registration, but after my experience with the AHA talking about Ariel, I just don't have the time to do it either. I also don't have the knowledge that someone who has dealt with them in the past has. I think if the AHA does offer to waive fees for nonprofit rescues and someone with that experience (like Barbara) would be willing to put in the time, that would be worth it. But I agree that SAFE should not be expected to spend precious funds on registration. AHA can be hard, the experience really helps. If you ever want to pursue getting Ariel's papers, I would really encourage you to get in touch with Sasha's owner first. She did a great job, and knows how to do it now. (And if it boils down to using the funds to save a horse's life, or getting a piece of paper... well? Duh.) But yeah, as I mentioned earlier, previously un-registered horses are really out of scope for a rescue (and most people). (As far as obtaining papers goes.) The only one that would be realistic would be papers for the horses that already have them. If nothing else, it's a THRILL to get that Jean Marie Elledge name off of them.
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Post by cricket on Oct 30, 2009 12:58:45 GMT -5
AHA can be hard, the experience really helps. If you ever want to pursue getting Ariel's papers, I would really encourage you to get in touch with Sasha's owner first. She did a great job, and knows how to do it now. (And if it boils down to using the funds to save a horse's life, or getting a piece of paper... well? Duh.) I did contact Megan. She had to hire an attorney to get Sasha registered. Unfortunately, there is just no way to convince my husband that a piece of paper for a horse is worth spending $3,000 - $4,000. Anyway, back on topic, I can register the auction mare, Szizzle in my name and sign the AHA petition.
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Post by coconut on Oct 30, 2009 13:21:15 GMT -5
Maybe there's an Attorney out there that would like to get in some community service hours by helping out our Non-Profit Organization get it's registerable horses papered! I'd be HAPPY to add them to the volunteer list!!! What if we posted an ad on CL or somewhere? We just might capture the attention of a lawyer who's looking for farm & garden equipment who'd think it was a worthy pro-bono cause!?!?
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